The HuntChat Armed Citizen Poll

[Skinny Shooter]

I'm not looking for specific incidences unless you want to share.
Be careful not to post any information that may come back to haunt you.
Don't forget to vote in the Poll.

[Rocky Raab]

Twice, for me. Two probable attempted carjackings/robberies.

Both at stop lights, but on opposites sides of the country. One middle of the night, one mid-afternoon.

I recently came real close to a third incident. I went into a grocery store, noticing a 9-passenger van parked right in front of the door. There were several BIG men and one woman, and the woman and one man were horseplaying on the sidewalk, all laughs and giggles.

When I came out, the horseplay had turned to angry yells, and the guy forcibly pulled the woman into the van as I watched!

I walked over, blatantly moved my right hand under my vest and to my hip, and said "Lady, if you want to step out of there and leave these guys, you can." She said everything was fine. I said, "I just want you to know that if you want to step out of there right now, I won't let anyone stop you."

You should've seen the look on the guy's face as he stared at my right hand. He now knows that wrestling a woman into a van can be hazardous to your health - joking around or not!

[Adam Helmer]

Skinny Shooter,

Great poll and an even great disclaimer about "not revealing too much information." Often a thread like this generates a lot of "stories", some of which are true, but all can come back and haunt a yarn spinner.

Adam

[Lycanthrope]

Carried pretty regularly over the years. Never needed it. Hope it stays that way.

[TreeDoc]

I won't go into the minute details but when coming home from a half hour long errand in town, I found myself coming home to find a burglary in progress. I was not carrying concealed but had a rifle (Mini 14) in my trunk. I discharged once as a warning after seeing a Perp looking out my own bedroom window where I had lots of firearms and ammo stored. I then was forced to discharge a couple minutes later when I found myself faced with a self defence situation when one of the Perps who was fleeing attempted to retreive his car from my driveway. When it was all over, it was a very frightening experience. While it was happening, it was very surreal and slow motion. You never truly know how you will react to a situation like this until you are face to face with it. I wish that engagement on no one. That was nearly twenty years ago and I still own that Mini 14 today....it's the one that bears a notch in the stock as a reminder to how things could have been had I not reacted as I did.

~TD

[TreeDoc]

Boy....did I shoot this thread to pieces too?

:confused:

[Adam Helmer]

TreeDoc,

I liked your personal accounts. I had three early moring home invasions that I came out the winner on in each instance. All I can safely say is the arms used were:
1) .45 Webley MkVI
2) M1911 Colt
3) M28 Smith .357.

The score was: Adam 3, Invaders 0, because I am here typing this.

Adam

[Classicvette63]

Had several occasions where carrying was, shall we say advantageous, from just showing a bulge in the coat all the way to pushing the coat behind the butt and in effect saying let's draw. Never dropped the hammer and hope I don't ever have to. Classic

[buckhunter]

I don't always carry but once on the way to shoot skeet my Father In Law and I were, well sort of accoused at a stop light. Six guys were in a Caddy pulled up next to us and well say we say making racial expressions at us. I just reached into the back seat, produced a old Savage 12 ga pump, managed to get it stuck out the window which was unloaded by the way and just yelled "Here talk to Rosco". Never seen a car move so fast.

I feel just the sight of a gun saved us from a beating.

My poor father in law was shaking like crazy, I just said lets get going. Little did he know I was pretty shakey inside.

[skeet]

And it ain't a fun feeling. Can't carry in Md but had 4 guys wanted to check out the gun shop at 2:30 in the morning. Held a gun on them while I called the police. They told me it would take a half hour to get a cop to me(I live in the country). Told 'em not to send a cop then...just send the coronor cause I didn't think the guys could stay still that long...and if one of 'em moved I was gonna start killin. Had a cop in 5 minutes(out of his bed ya understand). Locked up the guy driving the car and let the rest go. Driver had a sawed off shotgun under the seat. Scary situation...and one of the reasons I closed the gun business. It ain't getting any better, ya know. Wish I could carry but this is the People's Republic of Maryland. They don't trust us(moderately) honest people :rolleyes:

[8X56MS]

While I have been comforted on a few occasions, by knowing I could handle the situation, if it 'went south' , I have never had to show, or use a firearm against another person. I know what to do, I am prepared to do it, but I am greatful that I have not had to defend myself or another with a gun.

[Jonesy]

I have a concealed weapons permit, but don't carry. I have had a few run ins with guns and knives toward me. Which terrorizes my wife, I guess she thinks I don't have a fear mechanism.

I'll try to make a long story short. My buddy Larry split ways with a woman he had a child with, Larry got custody. Another friend, Larry and I went to get the child's stuff along with a few leftover items of Larry's. The women had been living with an airforce MP. We had no intensions but getting all the stuff quick and painlessly, the child was at Larry's sisters. I was asked to do any moderating if needed and she knew we were coming. I knocked on the door and was greeted with a cocked colt 1911 shoved in my face. I told the MP guy to holster it, because he was seconds away from having it shoved up his (bleeeeeep!). The guy said he wasn't messing around and pointed the pistol up and fired it. The dummy lived on the first floor of a three story apartment complex. Shot a hole right in the ceiling. I don't know if the guy hit the magazine release or if something malfunctioned, but when the gun fired the magazine fell out. After the gun discharged he went to pick up the magazine, I grabbed the top of the 1911 with both hands and turned it back towards him. I don't know if I twisted it out of his hand or if he let go because it was pointed towards him. This all happened right at the front door. Anyway, I chucked the pistol across the parking lot. Larry took off running when the gun was shoved in my face. After I threw the pistol, Dave and I knocked the holy living crap out of the MP guy for the stunt he just pulled. We drug him outside and made him lay face down on the sidewalk till the cops got there. The cops took the guy and our statements. When they retrieved the pistol, it did have a live shell in the chamber and still cocked. Must be pretty stout pistols to bounce across a parking lot and not trip the sear. From what I understand, the guy was kicked out of the airforce, but that's the last I heard of him.

My wife says if I pull anymore crap like this, she is going to kill me!

It's kind of strange when things like that happen. Your adrenaline rushes, but everything goes in slow motion. I do get scared though, of my wife or children getting hurt for any reason. My 4 year old fell asleep under her bed. We didn't know where she was. After about 15 minutes of looking and yelling I was panicing pretty hard, till she finally woke up and was wondering what the heck was going on. Never been so scared!

[12ga]

There have been several times in my 73 years. I chose a "Relative using my gun" due to an incident from my childhood, the only time a cap was popped.

My mother and I were alone in an isolated rural home while my dad worked a night shift job. A guy tried to break in through the front door. He didn't quit when she yelled, "I have a gun!" I'd grabbed my little .22 Remington bolt action, as dad's deer rifle and 12 gauge double were too big for either of us. She took it and fired through the door, up near the top, above a man's head level. The man cursed and ran.

The next day dad bought her a small shotgun. I still have it after 63 years. She hung it on a wall, loaded.

Also, years later, I thwarted a car-jacking by showing and cocking a pistol. He ran.

Twice I've been in the "pull your coat back" to avoid trouble. The other people, armed in both cases, backed off.

Once I leaned a 20" barrelled 12 ga pump against a picnic table when a bunch of rowdy bikers were harrassing a campground full of people. They didn't bother me and soon rode off with rude gestures.

Although I live in the PRK for family reasons, I live in a remote county where any resident, especially a property owner, can have a carry permit with no problems except the state hoops you must jump through - - classes, etc. I chose not to carry because the less the PRK knows about me, the better I like it.

12 ga

[DaMadman]

The people Republik of Maryland doesn't really allow it, but I voted about usinf my weapon in defense against an animal attack.

I was working in my yard one afternoon after returning from hunting. I had my truck hooked to a stump trying to pull it out of the ground, and for whatever reason I was out of the truck when at around 1:30 in the afternoon a Racoon came acros the subdivision road into the yard and whe I stomped my for and yelled, it stood on hind honches and growled at me. I immediately grabbed my weapon from the truck and fired into the ground in front of the coon trying to deter it from advancing I grazed it and it rolled over and kept coming. well then my dachsund came around the corner and it and the racoon were about to have a go at it so I shot and killed the racoon. I am the type that would feed and befriend a racoon in my yard if it were coming around at night or early morning and acted like it was supposed to. I feared that this on was rabid, being out in the day and not being scared of me or the dog I wasn't taking the chance.

I've fortunetly never had to pull a gun on a person. Although I did have my shotgun with me while hunting when I cconfronted some trespassers and I think with the drunken state they were in and being 3 of them and only one of me things MIGHT have escalated if I had not been carrying my shotgun.
They were riding ATV's on our hunting lease and when I told then to leave they started to give me some grief about they had permission when I knew they didn't so I told them that if they wanted to wait for a Police officer to arrive and find out if they had permission the mumble some explicitives and left. No further problem.

[Nulle]

Guess I don't need to go into the details so I will just say it is part of my job.

[muledeer]

Never had to and I hope I never will. I carry concealed most of the time because I deal with alot of strangers daily (subdivision sales). I use to carry at my sales meetings of over 100 agents but quit when one gal patted me on the lower back and felt my Beretta. She said "is that what I think it is"? I said yes and pulled her to the side and showed her my permit. Fortunately she didn't freak out. That would have been embarrasing:o :o :o
muledeer

[TreeDoc]

but muledeer...you told me you ALWAYS carried a crossdraw inside the pants holster. Are you sure that was a Beretta she was pattin' down? :confused: :eek: :D

[muledeer]

Location, location, location:D
muledeer

[Brno22h]

About thirty years ago while on a 4WD trail in Kalifornia, about five miles from the nearest road, I had this wierd looking guy come out of nowhere carying a hatchet. He had bright orange hair, and a large purple scar across his face. My girlfriend and I just watched him stagger over to our jeep and jerk open the door. I might add that his stagger was not from an injury, as much as from what he had been drinking. Although I did not have a permit to cary the thing, I always kept a Ruger Blackhawk in .44 Magnum with us while off road. As he pulled open the door, I pionted and cocked the .44. He almost turned himself inside out backing up. He dropped the hatchet, and we never saw him again. I still have that hatchet.
John

[muledeer]

Welcome to Huntchat!!
Your experience is why I always carry a weapon either in my vehicle or on my person.
muledeer

[carl]

Thanks for sharing.If you wouldn't have had your 44 you may not be here to tell us.

[Critch]

Very recently in St Louis, I had to go out to the van at 2AM. I carried my keltec P-11 with me. It was very cold and as I got to the van I noticed 4 gangbangers coming at me across the parking lot off of Grand Blvd. One of them stated yelling, "Hey, we want to talk to you." I pulled my pistol out of my coat pocket where they could see it and I told them to "Move on". They did.

[Mickey Rat]

First, I think that we need to ad another choice: Was armed and that knowledge got me thru a bad situation.

Having a legally carried firearm makes a difference in how you handle a situation.

If you are verbally threatened by and individual that is bigger/stronger than you (I was), having the firearm gives you a confidence in the outcome of the event. You KNOW that if it comes down to it, you will be walking away from the confrontation and the other guy will be carried. This confidence allows you to remain calm enough inside (not having to worry about personal survival) to humble yourself or whatever is required to ease out of the situation. This is not cowardace, this is common sense. There is no need to shoot someone for scaring you half to death. A woman will certainly benefit from this added confidence. An attacker often is put off by a victim that doesn't respond to a threat with fear.

Always remember "Nobody rapes a 38".

[papi]

never fire a warning shot. court can percieve that as provoking on your part.you also stand the chance of the bullet going somewhere and hitting someone

[Mickey Rat]

If you ever have to fire your weapon, remember that you testimony to the responding officers will often determine wheather you are charged or released. Don't let your mouth run away.

He threatened me and I shot his ass dead where he stood.
(Not a good ideal)

He verbally threatend me, then made a movement that appeared to be drawing a firearm out of his coat. At that point, fearing for my life, I drew my weapon and fired. (Better ideal)

[skeeter@ccia.com]

#1. Never draw without intent on pulling the trigger if needed.

#2. Never point a unloaded shotgun or handgun at anyone ever.

#3. Never show any sign you have a hidden gun. Now it isn't hidden and you can be at risk of loosing your concealed to carry permit and now days, is the law on your side?

#4. If you do pull the trigger.....make it a one sided story in the end.

All advice from a relative having been from patroleman to Judge.

All in all ..some very interesting stories...

[papi]

you have to conceal the gun. that is why it is called a concealed carry weapon.you are not allowed to carry it in the open.you should never point any weapon at anyone at any time.just because you pull it does not mean you have to use it.by doing that you can over react and shoot when not nevessary.you had better tell the truth before you get caught in a lie.this comes from a retired cop who has actually investigated these things

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Would a kitchen knife in intruders cold hand be a lie?...How about just not telling the whole truth..sounds better since most of us were taught long ago never lie. But how can you sit in court and take an oath and have a law officer take same oath and lie through his teeth and win the case without learning something there?...cheaters never win?...ka...Then again we aren't talking of something those like CSI would have to get involved in...so..how about if they followed you foot prints to the kitchen knife drawer with blood tracks?..well...sir..I seen the knife in his hand and just checked to see if it was from my drawer before I called you...?

[papi]

you stated that you saw this yourself.why did you just sit on your hands? why did you not say something?i assure you that if you get on the stand lying a atty will find you out and make you look like a idiot.where in the world did you come up with not to conceal a gun?you will have you license pulled if it is visible. it is to be concealed and out of sight,
common sense and watching what you say to the investigating officer.many change their stories without realizing it.it shows up when the atty questions you.you can tell a lie that sounds plausable but the ballistics prove it wrong.there are many factors that can get you in trouble.
if you breaks into your home and is leaving,you can not use deadly force. the courts state that the threat is gone if he is leaving.now on the other hand one could say you felt threatened bu just his being there.the burgular could always make a sudden movement that you preceived as a threat.texas laws alllow you to use deadly force to protect your property.not all states do this.a few years ago a man caught a man breaking into his car.he did not own a gun so he went and got his compound bow.the guy started towards him and got shot. the guy died. he was no-billed by the grand jury.on another occasion a man saw a woman being assaulted in her car.it was her estranged husband.the guy shot her and took off in his car.the witness had just returned from the gun range and a scoped 44mag revolver.he shot the guy trying to leave 2 times.he was justified . the law here states you have the right to use deadly force to protect another who is in immediate danger.he had to go to trial and was not no-billed by the grand jury.he was finally cleared but it cost him money.
you are blatantly wrong to tell the people to lie. investigators have seen too many things happen not to know a lie.i know this from being a officer for 25 years.just because you have a gun does not mean you know when to use it unless trained. many tin]mes just the appearance of the gun escalates the situation

[skeeter@ccia.com]

papi..believe it or not we are on the same track..I think maybe my point was taken wrong a few times here and if you would have read what I wrote above before leaping ..I was pointing out first of all your weapon is no longer a concealed one if it is visable even through the buldge in your shirt if it suggests you carry or if you flash it just to scare someone. This action can lead to loss of CC...correct? Pull it if needed and I have done so in the past...after the talk stage didn't get anywhere and his beer muscles started talking too much.(used other means to defuse the sitration) .I was kind of letting off steam when saying about lie on stand...which by the way I did not sit and let him get away with it either nor do I remember saying that...on 3 seperate times during the hearing, the judge interupted me and reminded me he has the badge not me and that makes him right. I even pointed out the written law he violated all 3 times but the badge made the officer right and me wrong..above the law .kind a kangaroo court thing....sure you couldn't shoot someone in the back if they were leaving..how could they be a threat if running from you?...My point is this ..do not rely on the courts to handle every situation and expect to get off with anything ...guilty or not...you are right. ..the lawyers could twist things to their advantage and make ya look like a butt...after all ..isn't that their job?....Now I was raised to never tell a lie and I don't but there are those times when the whole truth isn't needed either....sometimes ya just have to cover your own hams...ask OJ...was he honest?...Is he free?

[papi]

how can you compare oj? he never even testified. the lawyers did all the talking.i do not believe for one minute that a judge said the officer was right just because he had a badge.lets not exaggerate our points.just the mere visibility of the gun will not cause you to lose your license.if you show it purposely without cause is what gets you in trouble.the mere act of scaring a guy with a gun can get you in trouble. he can say you showed the gun in a menacing way.this will get you arrested. never show the gun unless you have to use it.there are very few times when you can just use it to scare some away.be very careful because they can file on you.remember you are always taught that just the appearance of a firarm can escalate the situation.this again will get you in trouble

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Papi ..as I sit in this chair..it is word for word from the judges mouth and I also couldn't believe it.....I have an uncle that has been everything from patrolman to captain to judge and he even teaches criminal law in our local college and he couldn't believe it either...he wanted me to take the judge and officer to a higher court for action but....I guess adding up atty fees, more lost days wages etc etc....let it go.....but it does bother me that they get away with that kind of thing. Fellow worker/friend and his brother got run down on a sidewalk when people in a jeep had words with them. Friend pulled his cc and shot the radiator out of the jeep..is how the officers found them..They were not charged..but the guy that shot the gun off in the city limits lost his cc for a few yrs for shooting it in the city...I posted that before somewhere here and also posted how friend from irac saved his motorcycle from getting loaded in back of a truck and when he slug the guy and stomped on his hands, he got the brunt of it all from using excessive force, big fines..thief/ nothing...I have been pulled over and ticketed in my 18 wheeler for speeding..went to hearing on that one and they came out and said if you can prove you weren't speeding, rip the ticket and go home...???...da...why get it in first place...and I obey the laws...even when I use to drive for a living..been pulled over a few miles down the road from a school zone by an officer comming the other way. He said I was speeding in school zone I just passed..I said was not. He said I needed my CDL to work..I said yes sir and is exactly why I wasn't speeding..But I won that one...all this happened around Pittsburgh area and the towns just south and west of it..another officer wrote me up for going 35mph in a 35mgh zone because it says trucks 25..I wasn't going 20 and even stopped at the redlight where he came up behind me not one block from where he wasn't even in his car..was gabbing outside to someone..said I can't prove you were speeding but say you were..did no radar, no vascar, didn't follow me the required 3/10 of mile to clock speed..just said in court I was speeding.that judge asked after I pointed these items out...the officer if looked like speeding..said yes..judge said good enough officer..I said law applies to trucks over 26000 lb..and weigh tickets or scale never used..asked officer if looked heavier than 26g...said...yes...well I was guilty there too and paid fine...and even though I myself didn't lie, I sure see now how it can work in your favor....oh well..is in past..and I won't go into the reason I did pull once but it worked and sure saved things...have a nice day papi...and a nice Christmas to you and yours....

[papi]

there is no requirement to follow you 1/3 of a miles. the get you on the spot.anyway hgave a good holiday and best wishes to you and the family

[Lycanthrope]

Originally posted by papi
there is no requirement to follow you 1/3 of a miles. the get you on the spot.anyway hgave a good holiday and best wishes to you and the family

I got the impression he meant for pacing and not radar.

[papi]

he may be referring to pacing. pacing will not stand up in court any more with a good lawyer.i have not even heard for years of it even being used

[Lycanthrope]

I don't know. I got burned outside of Pittsburgh late one night around Shaler with "pacing".

[papi]

it is really not a scientific finding.it depends on the human to know the excat time of start and the exact time of passing.that is not humanly possible

[Lycanthrope]

By "pacing", I'm referring to the police car following at a distance and judging your speed by maintaining an even distance.

It's not scientific either, but they can do it.

[Skyline]

Damn.....I hope this one gets in.

Yes............Lycanthrope pacing means exactly that.

I see way too many stories getting bantied about by my friends and neighbours. Sorry ....they are usualy in the wrong. But, like most people we try and make ourselves look less .........uhm....guilty.

I have seen way too many self serving stories that I am sureif we heard the other side it would not seem so black and white.

[papi]

it is easily beaten in court.the officer can not prove how fast he was going and can not prove how fast the other car was going.they used to time you from one point to another.they quit using these outdated procedures but they will not hold water in court now

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Exactly the whole point papi.....from the start...these should not hold water in court....but here in Pittsburgh area of Pa for example, and not talking about Texas, the locals don't like certain jobs we hold such as truck driving. We are not all law breaking scruffy citizens that run arund breaking the laws and look for trouble...and these are true examples that you can see if your eyes are open the other side of the story plain as day..is no hidden well I can tell it my way but the truth of the matter is another..skyline...They even state when pulling you over for a false reason they don't want trucks in 'their' town. They told a driver who by the way was at court the same day as I for his turn in the jar (15 of the 17 there then were drivers 2 others were women and they walked) he was gulty and he had to pay an overweight fine of now get this $10,000....reduced from $12,000 to give him a break when he delivered milk to a school that was on a dead end street...one way in and one way out but the street had a 5 ton weight limit. No bridges etc to worry about. Was just the rule of the town and the ..ha...officer won. The driver lost his job too because he refused to deliver to that school ever again. I am sure there are other sides to most stories skyline, but not in these ones...plain and simple, I do not trust the courts to get me out of anything..be it wrong or trumped up charges..let alone something as important as pulling a CC...and there is a law here in pa for following you 3/10 of a mile to pace you.....Killbuck twp has a rep x all the states as the most tickes issued...anywhere....all they want is the $$$$$ ..and these judges are going along with them. I just don't trust the courts and against all my beliefs from now on if ever again will bend the rules my way. Others are free to roam as they please....Hey, I just seen santa....following a coal truck..coal is the #1 asked for gift....need for heating the home now..:D

[papi]

carry a small micro recorder in your pocket.you can take that into court. the law reads that as long as one of the people being recorded know that they are being recorded,it is legal.it is illegal if a third party tapes others and they do not know it.

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Now a recorder is a good idea..but I retired from too many years of putting up with those kind of things...enjoying life now except when I recall all the aggravations of past days. Thats why my friends wont even mention my dispatcher to me..They end up with an ear beating..lol...Found peace of mind.
Lots of hunting and fishing going on now..ice is on the lakes.7* outside now ...if ya look in the make it yourself forum, can see my ice poles I use...already have more made because I end up giving them away..lol...blackpowder season is just around the corner and I get to take a young cousin out for his first deer. His dad passed right before he was old enough to get out...he will get to use the rifle he won at a wild game dinner I took him to..is excited about it. Shoots it well. Do you get to ice fish there in texas? Lots of tracking to get done here now too...need to find where the deer are hanging out after this past rifle season. The ones still in the woods that is. Seems they all found the no hunting signs and peoples yards..like the 10pt that has been hanging around my sisters yard since the season started.
Time to run now..have to make more of the item I make that replaces the sling on a crossbow...Those slings get in the way and most around here remove it. This works great...is in demand around here as a crossbow sling replacement. Merry Christmas again...Happy New Year.

[papi]

we seldom get snow or cold enough for ice.i am 56 and can only remember it cold enough to freeze lakes.it was a very thin sheet of ice and only lasted a few days. weather here is strange,it can be 85 one day and 35 the second day.police work is a strange one. you can be the biggest hit while working. when you leave they never talk to you again.i like it this way.
our deer season ends on jan 1.my freezer is full so i stopped when i got one deer. a buddy in michigan also sent me a deer.my freezer is really packed.i now just wait for wild hog hunting.there is no season and can be hunted year around with no limits.
i used to take kids hunting but they never wanted to go back.they had rather play video games and be with their buddies.i would pick a kid from a neighborhood i worked. most were little gangsters.most now are either dead or in prison.
my main hunting passion is wild hogs.i hunt them with a crossbow.you will not believe how it feels to looke eye to eye with 300-500 pounds with teeth.you will never fall asleep on these hunts.

[BrassHog]

I agree that carrying gives a person confidence that may help win the outcome of the situation but on the same tolken I have seen younger people (21 yr) get 10 foot tall and bulletproof with one which may lead to a very bad outcome. Of the times in which my firearm has helped and even saved my butt over the years (many times unfortunately) I have learned a few things. 1)Caliber means nothing as long as it's descent and with a repectable bullet ..2) confidence and practice with what you carry means alot.. 3) shot placement means everything . Above all BEING AWARE and able to detect a bad situation is the most important self defense while remaining calm in order to think with a clear mind in order to defuse or defend from the situation is paramount. I know that many will disagree with the caliber statement but a miss with a your 44 mag while the baddie pumps you full from a Lorcin 25 is a bad thing lol.

[pistolchamp]

After over 39 years in the oilfield as a company man, I have only had one really scary moment. Being left handed I often get out of the truck with my 1911 in my left hand where it stays as I open a gate or whatever. Carrying in the left hand in the dark is almost as good as carrying concealed... nobody thinks to look there.

One very dark night near Randado, Texas on a huge ranch I got out to open one of 17 gates to get to the drilling rig and two "illegals" approached and told me in Spanish to give them my truck. I put the 1911 on his nose and told them to leave... they did... no shots fired.

[Mike Moss]

Originally posted by skeeter@ccia.com
#1. Never draw without intent on pulling the trigger if needed.

#2. Never point a unloaded shotgun or handgun at anyone ever.

#3. Never show any sign you have a hidden gun. Now it isn't hidden and you can be at risk of loosing your concealed to carry permit and now days, is the law on your side?

#4. If you do pull the trigger.....make it a one sided story in the end.

All advice from a relative having been from patroleman to Judge.

All in all ..some very interesting stories...

I don't agree with any of your advice.

1. I will draw a gun if I think that I need to. If I fire it or not depends on what happens next. For instance if showing the gun does not work I may retreat further.

2. I would point an unloaded gun if I thought it would help. This again seems like a judgement call and my judgement has been very good so far.

3. Of course I don't want everyone to see my gun outline but its a way of showing it without showing it. For instance if threatened I might suggest that the perp. back off and leave me alone. If he persists I might say that I have a gun and hold it in my pocket where some of it can be seen. Again your frozen advice does not allow for good judgement.

4. That enough commentary.. I am bored with this.

[Valigator]

Aot of us down here in South Florida, get the feeling a handgun just doesnt have the same impact as it once did. A few of us were sitting around the other night and all carry, anyway it seems everyone and their brother has a handgun, but what seems to get their attention is a shotgun...without going into too much detail, in my case...the glock stopped him, but this idiot came back for more....the shotgun seemed to get his attention and persuaded him to retreat....dont know why but it seems to be the running consensus here...

you guys have some interesting stories, have you read about the woman having taser parties, kinda like tupperware...?

[PaulS]

I thank the Lord I didn't have to pull the trigger. I would have if necessary. I have only drawn my gun twice. Both times against animals. Both times I holstered my gun unfired. I have never had to draw my gun on another person but if I ever do have to I will have to decide whether I pull the trigger or not depending on the circumstances. I am not a cop - they have to be more careful about drawing their guns than John Q. Citizen. I do know that under most situations I will do all I can not to shoot. If I have to shoot it will be a one sided story when it is all over.
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[MacD37]

Man thread from 2004! Does anyone post on this web-site?

In case anyone happens to be looking for a new post here, I'll have a go.

There are many instances where the mere existance of a firearm is all that is needed to cease hostilities. On many occasions the fact that I was armed, and let the perps know it, avoided a potentual serious conflict.

I'm 72 yrs old, and have lived, and worked in some very rough towns, or sections of towns, along the border between Mexico, and the USA. In almost all those cities there are street gangs, that care nothing for the sanctity of human life, and the only thing they understand is a willingness to give tit, for tat.

On many occasions I've had to show my willingness to combat agression with a firearm. Not always a handgun. Sometimes in the city, and a couple times on the open highways between towns in the southwest, where there are sometimes 100 miles between policemen, and you are on your own there!

Agression, met with the posibility of a poor outcome for the agressor, will usually defuse the sittuation, but not always, so you must be willing to follow through, once the play is made!

The best outcome is when the perp's intentions are aborted without haveing to shoot anyone! As president TR said a long time ago "one must walk softly, and carry a big stick" IOW, don't go looking for a fight, but don't back up a damn step to stay out of a fight if it is brought to you, and the big stick is in case the fight becomes inevitable!:mad:

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Originally posted by MacD37
....I'm 72 yrs old, and have lived, and worked in some very rough towns, or sections of towns, along the border between Mexico, and the USA. In almost all those cities there are street gangs, that care nothing for the sanctity of human life, and the only thing they understand is a willingness to give tit, for tat.....
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Good points, even if it is an old thread. Ever spend any time in Eagle Pass, Texas?

[Valigator]

This might be an older thread but I am coming to believe that in the upcoming future, more and more of us are going to be put in situations to protect us or ours. I really fear women will be very vulnerable targets especially for the pathetic gang bangers I have here.

One of the students at my dojo is a female weighs all of a hundred pounds and is only taking classes in "Kai" not to sure about the spelling or pronunciation ..its pretty much a sequence of movements, more like a dance. My Sensei tried to persuade her to learn about basic weapons and self defense. Her response, "I dont allow violence in my world" ..I got a kick out of that one..she's a little whacked anyway...I feel like sneaking up behind her in the parking lot and yelling"boo"...