2 New Remmys coming out in Spring for varmint hunters

[Skinny Shooter]

Remington has a couple of interesting new 700's coming out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/xm15e2/05_700vsf.jpg

http://www.remington.com/NR/exeres/000015ddcqelcvaldqilzpxc/RemArms+Rich+Product.asp?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2ffirearms%2fcenterfire%2f700vsf%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b5C321C1C-AD52-4CB1-A1AB-D52CB39C488A%7d&NRQUERYTERMINATOR=1&cookie%5Ftest=1

Like the VS SF II, the Model 700 VS gets a makeover in the form of the Model 700 VSF. Its new stock design mimics the VS SF II, but comes in desert tan with black webbing. Its traditional blued VS action now features a fluted barrel for enhanced heat dissipation.

All features of the legendary Model 700™ plus:

Available in both R-H and L-H versions.
26" heavy contour barrel for the ultimate in long-range accuracy.
Concave target-style barrel crown.
H.S. Precision composite stock with beavertail fore-end.
Stock features full-length aluminum bedding blocks for enhanced stability and shot-to-shot consistency.
Six longitudinal flutes reduce barrel weight and increase heat dissipation.
Tactical style dual front swivel stud system for convenient mounting of bi-pod and sling.

Available in 223, 22-250 and 308

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/xm15e2/Rem700VSSFII.jpg

http://www.remington.com/NR/exeres/000015ddcqelcvaldqilzpxc/RemArms+Rich+Product.asp?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2ffirearms%2fcenterfire%2f700vssf_II%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b79E1B99D-C392-4A21-A578-7AD23AE0A286%7d&NRQUERYTERMINATOR=1&cookie%5Ftest=1

Think of the Model 700 VS SF II as a facelift for the original VS SF. We’ve reconfigured our hand laid up H.S. Precision composite stock, responding to the requests of varmint hunters across America. Changes include new contoured beavertail fore-end, palm swell, twin front swivel studs to accommodate sling and a bipod. Available in black with spruce green webbing, the VS SF II keeps its existing barreled action only now with blackened flutes.

All features of the legendary Model 700™ plus:

26" heavy contour barrel for the ultimate in long-range accuracy.
Concave target-style barrel crown.
H.S. Precision composite stock with beavertail fore-end.
Stock features full-length aluminum bedding blocks for enhanced stability and shot-to-shot consistency.
Six longitudinal flutes reduce barrel weight and increase heat dissipation.
Tactical style dual front swivel stud system for convenient mounting of bi-pod and sling.

Available in 204 Ruger, 223, 22-250 and 220 Swift



If these new guns are as good as my Remingtons, they should be popular. The desert tan in 308 looks slammin' :p

[Skinny Shooter]

Just got to fondle a VSF in 22-250 tonight at Cabela's. Very nice. That rifle just moved to the top of my "need" list. :p

[Evan03]

Skinny

I thought you had a vs sf in 22/250 ???? or maybe im think of rockys VS in 223.


i have the vs sf in the 22/250 and she does her job very well. its just a shame that i cant seem to do mine and get some good glass mounted on her. these rifles shoot out of the box with the right ammo. mine took a likeing to hornady 50gr vmax factory loads. over alot of other stuff. but i dont mind concidering how well it prints this ammo.:D

[Skinny Shooter]

Hi Evan.
I have the VS in 22-250. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/xm15e2/DSC_0020.jpg
And they do shoot very well out of the box. Lotsa talk on here from some folks that have had bad experiences with recent Remington quality control in their 700-series rilfes. Hopefully I won't have the same.
Allen

[Mike Moss]

Does Remington really have any impact in the market today?

I will get somewhat interested when they stop brazing the bolt together in three pieces, make a safe trigger, get rid of the J lock, put a real extractor on them and make them CRF.

I have a couple of Remingtons for target shooting and they were good for that. Remingtons latest effort was the M710 or was it the SAUM's?

Too bad that America's oldest gun maker has got to such a point.

[Evan03]

remingtons are just as good as any other production rifle in the same price range.

i dont see the Jlock going anywhere anytime soon, unless we swap out the bolt shroud ourselfs. i have two that im planning to swap out to get rid of the j-lock.

ive had rem 700 for 10 years now, with no problems at all. this rifle is chamberd in 270win and has killed every game animal ive laid crosshairs on, from ground squrels to elk and everything in between.

if and when my bolt handles break ill replace and upgrade them so they dont break again. yeah you shouldnt have to do this but ohhhwell.

latly ive also found flaws in my rugers. ive got two of them, one old one and one new. the bolt will actualy hit the top edge of the action as your slidding it towards the chamber. it hits it square edged with thunk. most times you dont notice. but i had everything just right one day as i was feeding a round. bolt just stopped dead. as four letter words were realing through my mind. puld back on the bolt and pushed forward and chamberd the round like nothing every happend. now about year later i found the problem in my tang safety rugger. where it had been forgetn from the year before.

im blabbing all this to show that there a problems with all rifles. as much as wed like to think difrent.

it all comes down to prefrence, dadded tassed me the 270win rem 700 when i was very young. been remington guy ever since, but realize i need more exsperince and more rifle varty past the ruger and winchesters that i have now to realy say yay or nay on if remintons are the lemons of the bunch. as of right now i think they are no lemon




Skinny.

look up the reminton police website, the new hs stock looks to be whats mounted under the LTR RIFLE.


Evan

[Skinny Shooter]

No flames here so don't take it the wrong way Mike.

Originally posted by Mike Moss
Does Remington really have any impact in the market today?
They do with me.

I will get somewhat interested when they stop brazing the bolt together in three pieces, make a safe trigger, get rid of the J lock, put a real extractor on them and make them CRF.
Mike, I'm glad you know about this stuff, can you please provide some links to the quality control issues that you cite. I'm open-minded enough to listen to genuine problems about any piece of equipment. Not just nit-picking.
So when I am able to read about Remmy bolts breaking into 2 or 3 pieces or regular stories of extractors breaking, I can make informed decisions.

I have a couple of Remingtons for target shooting and they were good for that. Remingtons latest effort was the M710 or was it the SAUM's?
That's a bummer for you. To think that "a couple of Remington's" which did well at the range couldn't be used in the field. Guess you missed out.
I didn't care for the 710 but that topic could be another thread by itself. As to the SAUM's, they may have their place but I lean to the WSM's.
And now Remmy upgraded their VS series rifles which is why I posted this thread in the first place.

Too bad that America's oldest gun maker has got to such a point.

Too bad for you I guess. As a gunowner I may not agree with all they do but I won't abandon them.
Things like not chambering the VS-series in 300 WSM, or not lengthening the mag well so my 308 can feed longer bullets through the magazine than those just a bit longer than factory OAL. Fortunately it shoots very well with factory OAL.
I'm sure that if someone gave me other brands of rifles to use I could nit-pick them apart also. But I won't waste money on something I don't believe in. My buddy uses a Ruger Target in 243 and it's a "nice" gun. I do like the safety and that's about it. I'd never buy one though. It's just not for me.

I like my 700's, never had a major issue and have had them shoot well out of the box. Well enough that I will be adding 2 more new ones. With Leupolds even...
They perform and I use them hard during groundhog season. And imagine this, they still work. Rocky has seen me work my bolts when the action happens. I only neck-size so I'm sure extraction problems or bolt breakage would have reared their ugly heads buy now.

So maybe you can see why I will continue to use them.
Maybe not and that's your choice.
My intention was not to start a thread to bash Remingtons, there's enough of that in other forums... I started this thread so varmint hunters could see some new rifles on the market.


Evan, I've fondled the LTR before and it's a nice rig. I think you're right about that stock.

Be well.
Allen

edited for typos... :D

[fabsroman]

Allen,

Since you signed that last post, I thought I used the name I think of you by most of the time in this post.

I agree with your post whole heartedly, but Remingtons just are not for me. I have an old 700 in .270 Win and I just don't like shooting that rifle as much as I like shooting my Ruger MKII's. You saw the Ruger .220 Swift Target gun I was carrying on the PA groundhog hunt and I also had my other Ruger in .300 Win Mag in the trunk of the car but didn't want to win the burnt powder award. Pretty much comes down to what a person is comfortable with. Granted, I am the kind of person that if a gun ever let me down and the manufacturer let me down, I wouldn't be buying another one of their guns (e.g., Browning) and I would be talking pretty badly about them too (e.g., Browning).

When it comes to rifles, all the ones I have bought have been Rugers. When it comes to shotguns, the only shotguns I have bought are either Beretta or Benelli, with the exception of a Browning Citori which turned me off of Browning guns. Before the Citori, I used to get the Browning catalog as a kid and memorize it. Now, I don't even think to look at Browning guns.

As far as cars go, I have only bought Ford products. However, lately I have been thinking about buying a Ford owned product (e.g., Mazda, Volvo, Lincoln LS).

If you guys haven't gotten my point yet, here it is. Some products have never failed for some people and they love them. That is why I love Ruger and Benelli. Some products have failed, but well after they were expected to. That is why I love Ford. With Beretta, I have shot a ton of rounds through their guns and only recently had a problem with two new guns I bought. One had the chrome coming of the receiver and the other had the finish coming off the stock. Beretta gave me a new stock and a new gun. The rest of the Berettas have functioned flawless, as did the two with cosmetic defects. I love Beretta because of their guns and their customer service. If I were to get into why I hate Browning, this would be a lot longer of a post than it is. Everybody has products that they love because they haven't been let down. Others have products that they hate because they have been let down. Some people have been let down by Remington, others swear by Remington.

Until a brand lets me down, I tend to stick with it.

[Skinny Shooter]

Hey Fabs, I remember that bolt rifle. They are good guns! I own a 77/22mag in their laminated stock version and really like it. Well it could be a bit longer in the length of pull but it works for what I have it for and that's to help in wielding death and destruction thru the prairie grasslands of Eastern Pennsylvania. :D
The grip on the Target version is a bit small for my hands and since that does affect accuracy I lean to a stock that fits me better.
I know you like "B" named guns (or most anyways ;) ). Good guns they are but since I'm mostly a rifleman, my old 870 works for me. Well, an 11-87 would work even better. :p
It's much easier putting scratches on that pump gun than a nice Benelli.
I'm pretty happy with my Trailblazer too. Even if Treedoc thinks the front end looks ugly. :D

[fabsroman]

Allen,

My point was that some say tomato and some say tomatoe. LOL It really doesn't matter as long as you are happy with the product.

Now, as far as putting scratches in my nice Benelli, that doesn't happen because my hunting guns are just that, black synthetic stocks and matte barrels except for my rifles which have stainless steel barrels for the most part. That is how my Benelli and Beretta hunting shotguns are, so I don't worry about scratching them. Now, the nice guns are only used for clay shooting and dove hunting and they don't see very much dove hunting at that. That is also why I bought a synthetic stock for the .220, I didn't want to cry over scratching the laminate stock it came with.

[Evan03]

Skinny

am i sencseing a 204 in the future.


i may try the 204 again(more than likly). the remington vs sf II would be the rifle to get.

[Cal Sibley]

My major gripe with Remington is that my last 3 new ones, a VLS and 2 BDLs have required glass bedding, barrel floating and trigger work, a total of $250., to make them shoot as well as the Remingtons I was buying in the 80s. They shoot well now, but only after that expense. I take no comfort in the fact that other rifles require this as well. I only give a damn about the ones I'm buying. Savage seems to be stealing the market, and all I can say is, more power to them. I'm back to buying Savage after many years of neglecting them. I at least get the feeling they are an honest buy. Maybe Remington should hire more gunsmiths and fewer lawyers. Most of the rifles in my gun cabinet are Remington, 7 of them, but the company's not showing me much in recent years. Sorry, but that's the way I feel. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

[Skinny Shooter]

Hi Cal, I've read your mention before of having to bed the VLS. Do you have any "before and after" target photos? I'm curious how your rifle was shooting. Guess I've been lucky up to this point.
Putting my money where my mouth is, I just purchased a new VSF in 308. I'll post results.
Thanks,
Allen

[Ridge Runner]

My main gripe is that the big wheels at remmy need to send people out and talk to the people who buy, sell, and use they're products to find out what the public wants as to styles and calibers. not listen to a bunch of collage educated "marketing experts". Real shooters are the ones they need to make contact with.
The j-loc's and the triggers are just another facet of society having to conform to the inabilities of everyone. Lets face it manufacturers have to make they're products as safe as possible because just cause someones an idiot doesn't mean he's excempted from his second amendment rights. And I don't wanna be around "Ernest T. Bass" when he see's a buck and has his trigger tuned down to 1.5 oz.
Now for the 700 action, it has the fastest locktime of any production bolt action, it can easily be made accurate, as accurate as any action made bar none.
Aftermarket parts are easily aquired to make the rifle conform to any application you wish, and any gunsmith will readily work on them. What more can you ask for? Ok done ranting.
RR

[Evan03]

Cal

if that was my vls it would have gone back to remington.

the vls is varmit rig, remington says it has fully floated barrel and though there arent any actual acuracy garuntees im almost certain if you called them up told em the problem that theyd of said to send the rifle to them.

the jlock can be removed and the triggers adjust to 2.5lbs very easy. they wont hold set at 1.50z and if they did it would be a very unsafe trigger.


ive had 4 reminton 700s. all have been very good to me and ill continue to buy remington.

Evan

[Cal Sibley]

Hello Skinny Shooter & Evan03,

My Remingtons are quite accurate now. I have quite a few Remingtons from the 80s, and boy are they sweet. The newer ones leave me non-plused. Back in the 80s we used to say Remingtons shoot great out of the box, while Savages can be made to shoot great with a little work. That seems to be reversed today. The $250. for glass bedding, barrel floating and trigger work does the job getting my Remingtons to shoot like I expect them to. I'm just not wild about spending the extra money on them, but I will until I can find something better. Maybe I'm expecting too much. If a heavy barreled varmint rig won't group under .5" (5 at 100yds.) I consider it a lemon. Maybe the older Remingtons spoiled me. Just one mans opinion.
Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

[Cal Sibley]

I should have been more precise. I can't presently post pictures. My latest Remington, a model 700VLS in 6mm Rem. was grouping most smaller weight bullets at .07" (5 at 100yds). After having it worked on by a gunsmith it now shoots in the .3"s and .4"s. I'm happy with that. The rifle will definitely shoot now. I've experienced similar group reductions in my Remington Classic in 6.5x55, and a model 700 in .25-06. both having gone from .9" down to .6", but again requiring glass bedding, barrel floating and trigger work. The rifles are great platforms for making accurate. My reservation is with the extra money involved to reach a level I would consider normal. Enough of my ranting. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal