CCW State to State

[Andy L]

Why is it that some states honor and some dont? For instance, Missouri honors TX, but TX not MO? There are alot of states that way. Dont make sense. Anyone know if there is anything in the works to make more states honor each other?

Of course, Illinois doenst let their people carry or anyone in it. Thats the only state in the union that comes close to being as screwed up law wise as California.....

Andy

[gregarat]

My guess is that, TX. Might have more lenient Handgun laws than MO.?

The whole thing really ticks me off.
I have to pay to have 5 handguns shipped from a FFL holder in N.Y., to a FFL holder in Florida :mad: .
At least I will actually have rights. Maybe I could be granted U.S. citizenship now!

Don’t tell Hillary I defected... yet ;) .

[Andy L]

Well, I took my CCW class today. It was pretty fun. Should be licensed in the next week or so.

The instructor answered my question, if anyone is interested. Its in the wording of the Missouri requirements. The law states, that after a person takes the course, presents it to the sheriff of the county, gets fingerprinted and background, sent off to the State Patrol and FBI, if the Sheriff doesnt have an answer back from the agencys within 45 days, he MUST issue the permit.

Seems alot of the other states have a problem with this. Maybe a felon may get lucky and get the paperwork lost and get a permit.

Good news is, that after 12 long years of Democrap tyranny rule, we now have a Republican governor being sworn in tomorrow, that vows to correct this problem in the wording pronto.

Hope he lives up to his word. Then we could carry virtually anywhere. Virtually. You always have Nazi states like Illinois, New York and California, to name a few.....

Andy

[Skinny Shooter]

Andy, I think the reciprocity issue with CCW will always be an issue. Especially since it's left to the States to recognize.
Wouldn't it be interesting if the States controlled the Media (or the rest of the Bill of Rights) in much the same way they control CCW? (not that I'm advocating it)
That way we might be protected from reckless and irresponsible reporters. :rolleyes:

[VinVega]

Skinny-
The thing is, there's no tampering with the First Amendment, so no state will even attempt to make rules against it. The only amendment the Supreme Court will not fully back IS the Second. I just can't for the life of me understand what the problem is there. Now I completely understand them backing the rest, I really do. I just don't get why they won't say that the Second is equally (if not more) important.

[Skinny Shooter]

It's interesting that more people will fight for the 1st Amend and not the 2nd.
If and/or when the flag ever drops, the "sword" will most assuredly devour the "pen".

Or maybe because guns in the hands of peasants are a threat to the structured powerbase that greedy men and women have propagated for themselves for TOO long...

As Hillary said it the other day during the electoral vote ratification. She mentioned these words at one point during her speech "...the consent of the governed"...
What does she know about the governed and their consent :confused:
Now I'm really going off-track. Sorry Andy.
I mentioned in a thread back in Fall that while on an overnite trip to Chesapeake City in Maryland we crossed the not very well marked state line and still had my 1911 loaded and on my person. After realizing where we were, I felt like I did something wrong (ashamed) and then I got pissed. Both at myself for being made to feel like a criminal and the State of Maryland for being backward. Substitute other descriptive words there as you like...
Allen

[Adam Helmer]

Andy & Skinny,

The Constitution very clearly addresses reciprocity in Article IV, Section 1: "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State..."

Ok, so when you drive across many states on vacation, your driver's license from your home state is recognized in all other states. Also, your marriage license, dog license, etc. are also recognized. Ok, so why not your CCW license? Your divorce, criminal record, and all that stuff is recognized state-to-state, BUT not your CCW.

I doubt the Supreme Court will do its duty and say "CCWs are reciprocal" per Article IV, Section 1 of the U. S. Constitution.

Adam

[Critch]

I have talked with my state reps and senators regarding the recipocity thing. All of them have assured me that the new Governor will put forth a great effort to get as much recipocity as possible. Most of it is just a paperwork thing, think treaty, between two sovereign states.

Texas is strange, they don't recognize Missouri because we must issue, but they recognise Utah who does the background check after issueing the license.

I understand that Arkansas and Missouri have already started talking. .

[gregarat]

I was just geting an estimate to have the stuff at my apartment moved to Florida.
When doing the walk through the agent told me that they couldnt put my ammo on their truck, but they can transport my "long guns".
When I asked how I am supose to get my ammo to Florida? He responded that I could drive it down myself.

Whats the deal?:confused:

[DaMadman]

Originally posted by gregarat
I was just geting an estimate to have the stuff at my apartment moved to Florida.
When doing the walk through the agent told me that they couldnt put my ammo on their truck, but they can transport my "long guns".
When I asked how I am supose to get my ammo to Florida? He responded that I could drive it down myself.

Whats the deal?:confused:

Hazardous material. Even places like cheaper than dirt charge hazardus material shipping charges for ammo

[DaMadman]

Hide the ammo in a locked trunk and dont tell them it is there

[gregarat]

Madman,
What If I bring the ammo in my truck? Could I get a HazMat charge?

[Hawkeye6]

Originally posted by gregarat
Madman,
What If I bring the ammo in my truck? Could I get a HazMat charge?

Probably not. But it may depend, or course, on how much you are talking about!

Just curious, above, you mentioned having to pay to have your handguns shipped form one ffl to another (I assume when you move). Why would you do that? I would just move them myself if I were you. I presume that you are driving from what you said above. Where do you see a problem with transproting them from NY to FL in your own vehicle?

[gregarat]

Hawkeye,
My N.Y.S license wouldnt be honored in many of the states I am driving through. If caught in one of these states, Im in deep doo doo.

I have nightmares about inbreed backwater cops seeing my New York plates, then having a new set of handguns to added to their colection . I also hear other stories...............:eek: .


Im only kidding yall, I gota get some ribbin in before I move;) :D

[Adam Helmer]

gregarat,

You may legally transport your handguns to Florida under the 1986 Federal Volkmer-McClure Act. That law says that if you legally own firearms in your state, you may transport them interstate without hinderance of any state's laws you drive through. Now, be sure the guns are unloaded and in a locked container like a footlocker for your handguns and put the container in your car trunk. I would not advertise the fact I had guns because some cops make up their own rules. Also, keep travelling and do not stop off for a month at a buddy's house enroute. As for your ammo, put that in a box or container and drive on. If you transport more than 25 pounds of Black Powder in one vehicle, you may come under DOT regs. Hope this helps.

Adam

[gregarat]

I would not advertise the fact I had guns because some cops make up their own rules. True, could I get them for robbery? I doubt it....:rolleyes: Thats what Im afraid of...

Cops are people too, some are good, some are NOT.

[Hawkeye6]

Adam:

I think you've hit the nail right on the head here. I thought the NRA used to have an on-line brochure or discussion of these ruels, bbut I could not find it on their website. Maybe it was on packing.org?

[Adam Helmer]

Hawkeye6,

Maybe you should go to the NRA site and specifically ask for the Volkmer-McClure Act. Senator McClure was from Idaho and co-wrote the bill. After it passed, the Liberals were so angry that Senator Hughes got his Hughes Amendment attached that prohibited registration of any new full auto arms.

You can legally transport your guns to another state when you go directly interstate. This is NOT CCW, but the guns are to be unloaded and secured as I said previously.

Adam

[Hawkeye6]

"Maybe you should go to the NRA site and specifically ask for the Volkmer-McClure Act"

Nah. I'll leave that for grearat since he's the one in need of it. I know I picked up a copy of a NRA brocuhre at a gun show 2 or 3 years back.

I recall giving it to a lawyer friend of mine who had been hassled by the JBTs in Massachusetts. My friend had been traveling through the stae while on a deer hunting trip. Stopped overnight at a motel. Foolishly left his firearms in his locked auto for a while in the late pm. came out to bring them into his room. Car was broken into and the firearms were, of course, gone. Barney Fife, the local JBT, harassed the guy that HE was the lawbreaker for travelling through the cradle of our democracy without having a Mass firearms permit/license and without registering the fireams with the Mass JBTs. (Maybe he was concerned about getting his cut from the thief?) JBT did not seem to concerned about the thief and was in no big hurry to write up the report.

[gregarat]

Originally posted by Hawkeye6
Nah. I'll leave that for grearat since he's the one in need of it. gee thanks

I will read it, just becaues I like to see eleted oficals act like babys :D

[Skinny Shooter]

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Default.aspx :)

[Hawkeye6]

Skinny! That's just the ticket! Great set of links there including the one on interestate transprot that I remembered.

[gregarat]

Great sight Skinny!

So now we established that it is lawfull to transport firearms interstate, if you are legal in both destination, and arival.

How do I deal with LEO's that dont know the law? Is their someway I can cover my behind, if I am hassled?:confused:

[Skinny Shooter]

Well you could always print out extra copies of that site to hand out along the way. :D
Oh yeah, throw in some NRA membership cards too. Ya never know...

Allen

[gregarat]

Skinny,

Imagin if you were a LEO who pulled over someone under 30, who has several handguns withought a permit in your state.
Now imagin this kid handing you a internet printout, that is supose to be an explanstion.

I just dont see any LEO buying that, even though it is real.

Mabe Ive just lived in a fatious police state too long?


Earlier I E-mailed a Justice who has his E-mail adress on CCW.com, about how to protect myself from LEO's that dont know of the law. Hopfully he will resopnd.
If not Ill email a justice from another state, untill I get something definative.

[Skinny Shooter]

Why are you getting pulled over? And if you do, how will LE know what is in your locked gun container which is not readily accessible back there in your locked trunk.

I would ask him to explain how you are violating federal law when you've secured your firearms in locked containers with ammunition stored away from the guns for starters.
Besides, what probable cause would you give him to even get started on a search of your vehicle? I don't think a routine stop or getting a speeding ticket will cause you any issues.

If you do get pulled over, stay calm, be polite (don't volunteer information that will cause further problems, innocent people tend to do that) and that will go a long ways. :)
Ya know if you moved to Pa our gun laws aren't very oppressive. ;)

Allen

[gregarat]

Point taken.
I just wana be safe, over sorry. Ya know the saying "just my luck".
I just wana know for sure that Im in the green. Would you take chances with your babies?


I just may put the handguns in the moving truck with my long guns that the movers already know about... Whats alittle white lie? My ammo is traveling in my truck.


Oh yeah Skinny. Trust me, if Pa. was warmer I would be there already!
I like almost everything about the place, aside from traveling on 81, North or South bound seems to be all uphill and turning left:confused:

[Adam Helmer]

Skinny,

Great link, I just added it to my Bookmarks. Like I said, you can legally transport you guns when they are unloaded and secured out of sight in a locked trunk. Often when a cop pulls a person over for a ticket, they will ask, "Do you have any firearms in the vehicle?" The right answer is, "No." Do not leave any empty holsters, boxes of ammo or other stuff like than in plain view on the backseat where they can provide "probable cause." Also, do not place NRA stickers on your windows. If a cop asks you to open your car trunk, again the right answer is, "No." I would advise the cop, if he has probable cause, go get a warrant. Lots of cops like to "go fishing", let them get a pole at Walmart and go find a creek.

Be polite, be calm and obey the speed limits until you get to your destination.

Adam

[gregarat]

Lots of cops like to "go fishing", Very true Adem. Several years ago my parents and another couple went to Sturgis for bike week. My mom and the other lady drove the trucks. I forget in wich state, Michigan comes to mind. The other lady was pulled over, for a BS reason (N.Y. plates). I wasnt there so I dont know the details, but anyhow the cop found a handgun in her fanypack.

The chick probobly did do everything wrong. :rolleyes: I was arguing with mom lastnight about that. I let slip that, dads buds wife was lucky I wasnt the LEO, cause I dont think that unlicensed CCW is too cool.
Mom automaticaly started defending her, saying dumb stuff like "it migh not have been loaded". That realy pressed my hot button, caring an unloaded wepon is more stupid than carring a unlicened one, IMHO. What if something did happen and she pulls a unloaded gun? Ha... its the Badguys lucky day!



I think that Im just going to lockem up, put them in a box w/h styrofoam peanuts, tape the heck out of it and lable it Dishes. Then have the movers, who are bringing my stuff down, transport it. Ill make several copies of the law from Skinnys site.

Whats the odds that a moving truck that makes regular runs from upstate N.Y. to Tampa. Geting pulled over, and ALL of its contents searched?

[Hawkeye6]

Greg:

You can do what you want to do, but I would not trust them to the moving company if you are not going to declare them. If they have told you that they will not move the handguns, you are really setting yourself up on that one. What are you going to do when the movers show up in Florida and unload your stuff, except the box marked "dishes"? Are you going to file a claim with the moving company for the value of your handguns? Fat chance of collecting on that. Movers are notorius for not wanting to pay-off on missing/damaged stuff if they did not pack the box.

I really think you'd be better off with pretty much everyone's advice here which is follow the law and move them yourself. (That includes obeying the traffic laws...)

H.

[gregarat]

Hawkeye,
The moving company never said they wouldnt transport them. I told them I was going to have a FFL holder in N.Y ship them to a FFL holder in Florida. When I discussed it whith the Mover I didnt know about the Volkmer-McClure Act.
Ill just send him a copy of the Volkmer-McClure Act., and ask if he will transport them. If he doesnt want to, Ill just follow your advice.

[gregarat]

I just got of the phone with the mover. I asked him if he would transport the handguns, along with the long guns.
He agreed providing I gave him the Make, Model, Cereal # from each gun, and they must be locked in a hard case.

What a weight lifted, and money saved.
The FFL holder here, wanted to charge me $100. The one in Gainesville wanted $75. Pulse I had to overnight them, along with insurance! (I will insure them with the mover).
I wont need worry about "Fishing Highway Cops" and their sirens that play "dueling banjos".