Lilred's Rant of the Week: The Commonwealth

[Lilred]

Ya'll know I aint very good at explainin myself, but I will try my best..because most of you will not understand my point.
The state of Virginia..I'm very proud of the state I live in. It's the oldest state in these here US of A, and yet, it's the most wooded, clean and peaceful places I have seen. There's no place like home, yep, I'm partial. But when in the year 2005, you can see every star, nary a light, and still breathe fresh air and listen to crickets, tree frogs, never hear a car pass and hear the whipperwhills in the trees that surround you..just as you could in 1805..the state has preserved itself under the circumstances.

We never had big ole factories like the north, our revenue was generated, by the most part, by baccer. (tobacco). We make fiddles and wine too..but most, even in the 70's, was baccer.
400 yrs of baccer growers, generations of farms, are no more. The people of "washington" shut us down. Told us to grow organic corn & maters.
Hint: people who have only mastered the fine "art" of growin baccer generation after generation couldnt fathum growin corn. The state dont even have the facilities to house ner ship such amounts of "organic" food. So, instead of exportin the baccer grown in our state, we import it from South America.

And, to any Virginian who has lived here fer generations, I will have to explain how "we" feel. We have been invaded yet again. They bring their factories, and people who have used up their land are now movin on to "fresher meat", namely, Virginia.
I am 30. 15 yrs ago (which aint that long) I remember dirt roads and farms. Now all I see is subdivisions, interstates and people. My God at the people. All w/ a city slicker's attitude. Never wave when they pass, always gripin bout all the woods they have to pass through. So, they cut em down.
The farmers caint grow, so they are forced to sell.
Our mtns are bein blown to flat land to support the people.
Trash now litter the sides of our roads. Bumper-to-bumper traffic now covers the hills instead of barns.
We caint stop em, we caint control em. To most people, the "war" was fought fer alot of reasons, some right, some wrong. But the greatest reason was for state's rights to keep what they had intact. I'll give the state credit for holdin back the legions for as long as they have, but it's over. It's spreadin like the plague.

So, I reckon if you caint understand the "Southern" pov, er the reason why Virginia in itself is still is this constant "rehashin" of such old things, it aint because we're stupid er weird. It's because of what we are goin through now. Dont git me wrong..I aint no "confederate" w/ rebel flags flyin in my yard..lol..I aint that way. But, it is pure torment watchin the destruction of such a beautiful place that I call home.
No offense to any Michigander here, there are some fine people there. But I could not git over fishin rivers and places, and never catchin ANYTHING. My hubby (who was born & raised there) explained that when he was lil, there was never anything in the rivers at all, cause of the pesticide runoff from the farms and factories. All I could think about was Virginia, and how the smallest creek would provide a good mess of any kind of fish anyday...and I was distraught sittin there all day and never even gittin a bite on such a perty river er pond.
The once creek we fished, was copper colored. I asked him why was the water so dingy. He said cause of the high mineral content. (I took it as pesticides)
It would break my heart to see our ponds and rivers that way.
But, it's comin. Soon, the deer will be gone, the fish will all die out.
My hubby said that "extensive environmental protection" has been in place fer MI rivers and such since when he was a kid, and that's great. But why destroy what you had in the first place?
Sorry..I'm ramblin..I'll shutup bout it.
But, I will try to find myself a mountain somewhere, where they caint reach, and hopefully I will die fore they take that too.

[multibeard]

Lilred

I have missed your rants lately.

As you know Michigan has had this problem for years. We all hate to see it happen but it is impossible to stop due to the city people [I was nice with the discription] wanting a piece of gods country. The bad part is that when they get there piece they want to turn it into what they just left.

When it gets the best of you, Lowes is building a new store in Ludington, Michigan that you could get transfered to. Then I could get your rants first hand. There are fish in the lakes and rivers over on this side of the state.

BTW 40 weeks till your friendly CO retires.

[skeet]

I REALLY understand how ya feel darlin.. That is exactly what has been happening here. That is exactly why I am going to move. You really can't get away from it. Some city folk just moved into a house (on 2.4 acres) across the road. First thing they did was put up a couple of them orange night lights. Scared of the dark or somethin I guess(I'm gonna take care of them lights one day). I ain't met 'em or them me. They shot fireworks off one night till 0 dark 30(1:30 in the morning) without even thinkin about other people. Now they ain't real close so it don't bother me too much but it's the attitude that bothers me. Now I know i shoot on my place but I ain't doing it at 1:30 in the morning. And my taxes have gone from 180 dollars a year to 3000 in 23 yrs. all cause the people moving in from the cities want more and more services. I live on the poor end of the county. If I call for the police it'll take 30 mins. If they call less than 5 mins. Hell if it was life threatening I'd either be dead...or maybe somebody else would be. Soon as the farm is sold I'm going to Wyoming. Good grief...The Eastern Shore Of Maryland was a great place at one time.. from 1790 to 1970 the population in the county I live in was just under 15,000. Now there are more people(17,000) on one island that is part of the county. My mom's folks moved to this area in the late 1670's and I'm the last of the Mohicans...and I'm gonna be gone soon. It's a real shame. They call it PROGRESS....yeah right! Ruination is more like it.

[fabsroman]

Lilred,

I was going to tell you pretty much the same thing as Skeet. Maryland is in much worse shape than you guys in Virginia. I hate Virginia's laws and after reading some threads on here I hate Pennsylvania's game commission. I would love to buy a farm somewhere, but I am pretty much screwed because the farms are pretty much gone from Maryland, and those that aren't usually cost a million or more. Count your blessings that you still have farm land down there.

Essentially, the entire east coast is going to be concrete and asphalt pretty soon. Over the past 20 years, I have done most of my hunting on two farms. I have watched subdivisions erected next to both farms and right now one of the farm owners is selling lots out of the front fields of his farm where I have killed many a goose over the years. So, I feel your pain. Pretty soon I will have to start begging land owners to allow me to hunt on their property.

As far as the game is concerned, the deer and geese seem to be doing better now than they were doing here 15 years ago. In fact, they are pretty much out of control. The streams are still pretty decent here and I can catch a good amount of shad out of them when they are running. Trout usually are stocked by DNR, so it wouldn't be too hard to find them if I were interested in them. As far as fishing in the Bay is concerned, it is still pretty decent, but there was a moratorium on Rockfish about 15 years ago which helped get the stock back up.

The good news for you and Skeet is that you have the ability to pick up and leave. On the other hand, I am stuck in Maryland because very few places will allow me to transfer my CPA license and/or admit me to the bar without my having to jump through hoops. Hell, the fiance and I even looked at some homes in Gainesville, Virginia which cost just a tad bit more than the townhouse that we bought in Maryland, but Virginia has a bunch of requirements for me to waive in, one being that I hang a sign in front of my house if I planned on practicing from home. Problem with that is that the Homeowner's Association (HOA) Bylaws did not allow the hanging of signs of any kind. Oh lordy, if I were to get started on HOA's, I would be here writing forever. They wouldn't allow me to build a tool shed and if I were to put up a fence I had to get it approved by the architectural committee.

The last thing I have to say is that I do notice the difference between people out in the country and people from the city. People from the city are always in a hurry, rarely say good morning, hello, hold a door open, waive, smile, etc. whereas most people from the country are very polite. Now, I have met some transplants from the city to the country and they still aren't the nicest people. I have also met some people from the country that have an issue with me because I am from the city. Such is life. Maybe people from the city are much more uptight because they have to make so much money just to live in the city. Oh well, I am going to move on to the next thread so that I can get to sleep sometime tonight.

[earschplitinloudenboomer]

Lilred;
I cannot find word to express the frustration that we seem to share. I believe, for me, the worst part is knowing I'm whupped.

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

Thought you might get a kick out of this:-

These here city type folks moved into the countryside and brought properties from elderly country folks down a private lane. Private means the council doea not do any maintenance on it, it's down to the folks that live there. Well the first property was still owned and lived in by an lady in her late 50's her's, had the largest garden and the lane went around the outside of it then onto the other properties. She didn't even have a car. Well the yuppy types that had moved in over the last few years all drove flashy sporty type cars and soon found that especially in the winter what with the rains the holes that developed in the lane caused the cars to ground out. The previous residents would actually fill the holes up every year, but that of course was beneath the yuppies.

so they formed a residents commitee, the original lady was not interested as they didn't need such things before being neighbours they all tried to get along. But the city types or townies as we call them seem to have a need for such. Well they got together and decided that the lane needed improving and it would be tarmaced so their nice shiny sports cars would not get all dirty and scraped bottoms. The decided that they would each pay for the bit lane that passed their property to be done, when it was all cut and dried and prices obtained they then troop down to the lady at the end and tell her that the lane is going to be tarmaced and her share of the bill is £X amount which of course was far higher than anyone elses as her garden was bigger and it went around the boundary in a loop.

Well to say she was not pleased is an understatment, especially as she didn't even have a car, but when this was pointed out the newcomers told her that was not their fault and that the majority had made the decision and she would have to pay up or be sued for the money. Hmm bad move that one as now she had no option but consult a solicitor (lawyer), well the Deeds of the property were duly sort and consulted whislt this was being done the townies had a brainwave, they would just take a slice from the old ladies garden and put a new lane straight through thereby shortening the journey and reducing the cost. They informed the lady of their idea and plans. Stuck up or what.

Well it all backfired on them as it seems that actually there was no OFFICIAL LANE AND ACCESS to their properties at all, the lane where it entered off the main highway was owned by this little old lady and she was advised to gate it off and refuse the others permission to trespass on her land:D Seems when it was all friendly like the owner which happened to be her father had let the other original owners of the properties built later one construct the dirt/shingle as it was originally lane which is why it went around the outside of the garden. The townies were now in a state claiming that she couldn't (yes she could and did) fit a locked gate and refuse them access, yes she could quite legally it seems. Now it seems when the deeds of the other properties were carefully looked at there was no provision for any other access and it relied on good will of the owner of the first house which they had no lost through their lack of respect.

They tried bribary and offering to pay for her share, not interested was the reply, they offered to buy the lane outright, nope as she could no longer trust their intentions. So all that was open for them was to make offers to buy her out lock stock and barrel or try to buy some land next too the lane or at the other end to put an access way through providing they could actually obtain planning permission that is.

I don't know what the final outcome was as I moved jobs and the guy who I worked with who knew of this personally as it was just up the road from him and he knew the lady in question at least to chat too. Oh boy now if I owned the land around or next to the lane you can be sure the price just went through the roof

Hope it brightened you day a little.

[Lilred]

Fabs, them rules you were talkin bout in the subdivision is another thing that riles me up..them stupid rules are made by the fools livin in them subdivisions. You caint fly a flag in yer yard, yer house HAS to be vinyl sidin..etc etc.
To each his own I say..but I tell you what..iffin Lilred's payin some ungodly amount of money to live in a place..then by God, Lilred's gonna do with that place whatever I see fit to do with it. Dont git me wrong, I can understand "neighborhood laws", they can keep the peace, but most go so fer beyond peaceful, that it's just assisnine.

Most farmers here in my county sold/willed their large properties to timber companies and/or the state. Thank God fer them thinkin ahead, cause the state forest covers the majority of the county (my guess would be 40%), timber companies covers some,(another 40%) and landowners have the rest. There is only 1 official subdivision in our county that has 5 homes in it on 2 acre lots. The county board has laws passed for 2 or 3 acre minimums. Our population is 8,000. But in contrast, our neighboring county has a pop. of 25,000 and growin. I'm mighty afraid it's headin this way.
Talkin bout easements, there is alot of land here that has no right-of-way to it at all..and thank God fer them stubborn people who refuse to give them.

[fabsroman]

Lilred,

The HOA agreement for my subdivision was over 100 pages long. If I wasn't an attorney and used to reading long boring documents, I don't think I could have made it through it. With that said, it appears that the HOA here is rather lenient about the rules because a lot of the rules are being broken by people. However, I really don't care myself. I think people should be able to do almost whatever they want with their property short of leaving an old toilet out in the middle of the lawn for me to look at every day.

[Cal Sibley]

Just don't get to thinking you can outrun it. You can't! I'm also originally from Maryland, near College Park. I flat out gave up about 30 years ago and moved to Ontario, Canada. I had a gutfull of corrupt politicians and racial problems along with the rapid dwindling of open spaces. Our peace and contentment lasted about 15 years. An example is Barrie, Ontario, about 50 miles north of Toronto. That sleepy little community of 15,000 has grown to over 100,000 people in these short numer of years. I'm fortunate to see a woodchuck within a two hour drive. Our farms are all but gone, taxed out of existence. We now have more hispanics and orientals than I would have thought possible. I guess the government feels it's a fair trade. We get their people, and in return they get our jobs. I was thinking of migrating to Australia or New Zealand, but realistically what would I get? Another 30 years at best. Yeah, it's pretty depressing for all of us. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

[Cal Sibley]

Lilred,

Maybe you can update me. I remember being told there were 4 commonwealths in the U.S. I recall Virgina and Kentucky having that status, but I'll be darned if I can recall the other two. Do you know which ones they are? Thanks and best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

[fabsroman]

Cal,

I have no intention of trying to outrun it. I am living in Germantown, Maryland right now which still has a couple of farms around it, but they are developing everywhere. I used to live in Colesville on the outskirts of Silver Spring and when we first moved there 20 years ago, there were a good number of farms and wooded areas. Now, they are all gone. I remember driving to a farm in Howard County and passing a huge wooded lot on New Hampshire Avenue where it intersects with route 198. I always thought that place would remain, but now it is a golf course community with million dollar homes on it. Don't get me wrong, I would love to live in one of those homes, but I just hate the "progress" that we are making. I am wondering where we will be in 100 years. Probably no place to live whatsoever and where will we grow food, on the moon maybe. Better yet, we might live on the moon and leave what is left of the Earth for growing food. It is all pretty disturbing, but I guess that is what you get with technology.

[rubicon]

Lilred,Its the same in the mountains in Wv. At my home there was only farmers, miners, and small mom and pop stores. Then the city slickers found we were great for ski resorts with the 200 inches of snow. Then came the skiiers on weekends with all season radials on their lexus who had been told" with these tires this car will go anywhere" Then due to tax breaks they started building condos and renting them. Finally they realized they could keep their city jobs and live in the mountains via Computers! Only problem was these highly educated folks didnt like these uneducated life long residents killing Bambi, driving lifted up 4 wd trucks, riding 4 wheelers, etc. They caused so much trouble grade schoolers are transported back and forth on a mountain daily to learn Spanish. Problem was there was only on teacher qualified to teach it and they had to bus kids from three schools to get enough students for a class. There are no Spanish people up there so the kids sure dont use what they learn. Developers bought farms and started housing projects with associations rules and regulations. Fed government bought land and made preserves everywhere and the only access to this land now is on foot or bicycle. NO HUNTING. I had a building contracting business up there and constantly battled with these pilgrams and their rebuttle to me was "you lifers up here just dont understand what you want or need" HA!

[dunwerkin]

Cal
Pa. is a commonwealth. But like you this old brain isn't kicking in and I can't recall the other one Sorry.

[skeet]

Massa...scuse me Taxachussetts I think:rolleyes:

[BILLY D.]

ISN'T THE OTHER COMMONWEALTH MASSACHUSETS? NOT SURE, HISTORY CLASS WAS 50+ YEARS AGO.

[Slim-Zippy]

Lil Red'

The invasion is everywhere and there doesn't seem like there is anything slowing it down. The sheer numbers of people have overfilled our nation. When does some politician say that there is no more room at the U.S.A. Inn and Motel. There is less quality in the majority of people coming along now. The more crowded it becomes, the worse it will be for everyone.

I shot my first deer about 200 yards from the intersection deemed the most dangerous in the North part of Houston, Texas. When I go into that area now I keep my windows rolled up and I'm glad I have a ccw.

John

[DaMadman]

Originally posted by skeet
. Soon as the farm is sold I'm going to Wyoming.

Well we will still be neighbors because I am going to Montana when I get the chance to get the heck out of Maryland. Won't be in the next couple years, but not too far down the road

[Virginiashadow]

Lil, I moved out to a house on 6.5 acres west of Manassas just two years ago to try and escape the Northern Virginia Zone......what has come of it has been a strip mall and about 1000 townhomes that have caused so much congestion and traffic that it is sick....Of my 30 years, I have lived in Virginia for over 20 of them, but this place is making me sick. We need to have NO development laws put in place to protect our state.

vashadow

[skeet]

Well DaMadman...looks as though we may be getting outta here if things work out right. Found a small ranch/farm(about 160 acres which ain't much out there) in Wyoming to live on cause there is no state income tax...and will have a bit left to spend in Montana for some farm ground. It's cheaper up there than it is in Wyoming..so I guess we will be closer than ya thought. Gonna probably buy the small place in Wyoming now...and the rest in Montana when the farm here gets sold. Lots of people coming around looking now. Time to sell!!!

Hey Lilred....why don'cha make the move out that way yourself? It's like it was where I live 30 yrs ago out in the Wyoming farm country. People don't worry bout lockin the doors or nothing. Remember what that was like? you dasn't do that round here any more!:(

[TreeDoc]

Good Rant, Lilred!

This country is history. We're all set to fall as the Romans did and will.

It'll be "President Xiang Gnu Puck" or "Mohammed Akbar Zawi" before you know it. The Libs will see to it.

[AZZAFOX]

didnt they name of Strength of Cigarrette after Virginia. :D

[fabsroman]

VAShadow,

I know almost exactly where you live. I was looking at some of the new homes being built in Gainesville, VA because my fiance works at the Target pharmacy out there. Decided against buying out there because my clients wouldn't like to make the drive out to Virginia since they are mostly from Montgomery County. However, the same house in Gainesville was going for $480,000 whereas the same house here was $700,000. Makes a person think twice.

As far as there being no development in Northern Virginia, it would take an act of God to stop it. The money that is flowing in from the developing is insane. The home prices are escalating so the counties and states are getting more income in real estate taxes. I listen to 92.5, a Winchester, VA station which I love. Actually heard an ad for Smith & Wesson and a gun shop on that station. Almost fell over. Then this morning I heard an ad for a hunters safety course being held in VA. Almost fell over again. Anyway, the radio station said that the escalating home prices were going to bring in an additional 3 million in property tax revenue. The construciton is not going to stop along the eastern sea board for quite a while.

Now, is the population increase the result of immigration, people living longer, or couples having more than 2 kids each? Probably a combination of the above.

[TreeDoc]

And the sad thing? You watch that area as it builds out. It won't be long and those commercials for Smith & Wesson or Hunter Safety classes will be gone as the Libs move in since they cashed out their homes in DC, Maryland, etc an buy up the land that is so "cheap" and then start insisting that things be the way they were where they came from....then the Starbucks will come.....and the hunting will go.....

[fabsroman]

TreeDoc,

I have no doubt that the hunting will go, but it will go for the very same reason that it will go for where I live right now. I used to hunt doves and geese just 5 minutes from where I live now. The main road I live off of now runs east to west and was the dividing line between firearms zone and nonfirearms zone. There were a ton of cornfields around this place. Now, there are a ton of homes and almost no place to fire a firearm safely. That is why hunting and shooting will go from these places. It is kind of like trying to hunt in a crowded downtown street in Washington, DC. First off, there isn't any game and second of all it is too dangerous for the people around you.

The farm that I used to hunt on was sold about 5 years ago, so I don't hunt there anymore. However, I was able to hunt deer on a farm just down the road form it where the deer were causing massive crop damage. The DNR gave the farm owner a ton of crop damage permits and required that the hunters sign up to hunt there with the owner's permission and qualify to hunt there by putting 3 out of 5 shots in a paper plate at 40 yards (which I think is ridiculous since a person should be able to put all 5 shots in that plate if they want to hunt in a residential zone).

Essentially, the homes drive the geese and deer to secluded spots in between them. I have geese and ducks living right behind me in a 5 to 10 acre wetland that was created between some condos, my townhouse section, and some single family homes on the opposite side of me. Problem with hunting down there is that homes are in any direction that you set up to shoot in. The ducks and geese love the environment, but it just isn't suitable for hunting.

[Lilred]

There is nothin left of northern va..you'd have to move out my way fore you see any peace.
I dont think it's kids..ner immigrants..I think it's the folks from the north. I caint tell you how many people I talk to each day, and how many are from the north..a safe percentage would be 90%, and they all go nuts over the way I talk. "Where you from?" they always say. my reply..."Right here" lol

Richmond is a hot spot..w/ monument ave and all..staues of Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson and the like run up and down that street..places like Jeff Davis hwy and thr Robert E lee schools...all will be gone. Wether we like it er not, it's our heritage..and one that should not be tampered w/ or destroyed just cause they aint from round here.
Nor should our woods and fields be destroyed fer the same reason. Look at WVA..prime example. They took everything that state had fer resources. Most lived offa the land, just like we do. Now, the mtns are blown up so bad, a weed wouldnt grow, much the ginseng, pinkroot and animals that people still depend on today to live. Same w/ the mtns of VA. WVA had to resort to gamblin casinos...well by God..it's illegal here, and I prey it stays that way!
Fabs said earlier that he aint like VA laws..but you see..nobody w/ the open mind would like em. They seem to harsh and stuff..like them makin a change in the VA contitution bout bannin gay marriages.
But, look at it from our pov...we DONT want them laws changed. We like bein old-fashioned and we are set in our ways bout what is right and wrong. Agreed w/ Fabs tho, some are stupid..but it's what we want..the old Virginians..not some feller from LA w/ a Rolls. Tis the way it should be I think. Funny thing tho, it aint stoppin the mad rush fer folks to live here.
As fer as huntin, they'll never take that away. Even in the VA tourism guide, huntin is in there..lol..

As fer as me movin out west..I appreciatte the thought..but this here is my home. I could not imagine bein anywhere else..even iffin I'm sittin here watchin the destruction of it.

[hobbles]

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[skeet]

Lilred...take it from a died in the wool eastern shore of Maryland person. After you've seen enough of the place you grew up destroyed for simple greed you'll be ready to move. I Am. My family has lived within 10 miles of where I live since the late 1600's. A few days ago I had a family in to look at my property and they were from China for god's sake. The PRC..communist China. I don't want to sell to them..not because they are Chinese..but they aren't even citizens..but according to the law if they offer I have to sell if they meet my price etc. The realtor said the man stated he was going to make a full price(cash) offer on the place. Doesn't seem right...selling a piece of America to a foreigner. I've already turned down a couple of offers from developers...because I don't want the land turned into a housing development. Caught 'tween a rock and a hard place.... All them people tying to get away from the city...and bringing it with 'em:( :confused: Oh well.

[hnter]

:)
He11, Ya can come to Wyoming. We're the least populated state in the land and for the most part still a free people without all the liberal eastern and kalifonicater attitudes. Molon Labe !!!!!
We still have room for HONEST hard workin, gun lovin, hard huntin freemen. :D
Hnter;)

[fabsroman]

Skeet,

You don't want to sell to a developer, but what assurance do you have that these Chinese people buying your property will not sell it to a developer or that they aren't an undisclosed agent for a developer or developers themselves?

Something doesn't seem right if they are offering a cash payment for the place without any financing. Anyway, good luck with the sale and all I can say is don't come back and look at the place a couple of years after you sell it.

I have been debating taking a ride up to PA to look at a farm that my aunt and uncle owned about 20 years ago, but I am scared that my fond memories of the place will be ruined when I get there by seeing homes built on the place. That happened to a piece of property that my parents sold in PA about 25 years ago. As soon as they sold the property, a house started to go up on it. That made me sick.

[hnter]

We Yanks have been buying land in other countrys for years for Gods sake, so whats the diff if Gooks buy here?
As far as cash payment offer is concerned, that's their prefered way of payment. Besides it all cash saves them & you bucks.
I went back to my ole homstead farm a few years ago and saw unplowed overgrown fields teaming with shrubs, browse, deer, gamebirds and rabbits which we never had, we were to busy scrambling to make a living. I was impressed!!!!!! Pleased too !!!!!!!
hnter:D

[skeeter@ccia.com]

hntr...better watch inviting the easterners out there...look at what happened to cadifornia and hoddyvood....I loose hunting ground every year here in W.PA....in one year alone the count was 13 of my favorite places to be. New housing plans with the 3 and 4 thousand dollar house and the money they use to buy and post all around them. A new extension of the PA turnpike cut through 1/2 of 4 hills that held deer on one of them at any given time. The mount I have on the wall was the last deer taken at what is now a toll booth.. which is x the road from the old homestead the state bought for the road. The airline pilots are buying farms in the last of the rural areas here and either selling them off for houses or posting them all...along with going to council meetings to eliminate the spread of fertalizer...the federal government tries to tell the farmers what they can and can't plant or do on their land....so far the farmers keep a hold....the farms I hunt on have no government loans and keep the feds off the property...so far......the money a Dr. has got the new road moved to the next hill so it wouldn't interfere with his posted land....which by the way use to be my backyard.......PA is loosing the hunting numbers. Some due to older age, some to economics but the biggest reason given to why they gave up hunting?...Loss of places to hunt....which is another game plan of the antis.....no place to hunt.....not need guns......hummm

[hnter]

I know full well the Anti's adjendas. I'm an Officer/Director of the WSSA which is the NRA's Wyoming state affiliate. I've been fighting the darned Anti's and leftist enviro religious greens for years. Without alot of help from others I'll add
As far as private hunting land is concerned I own a ranch in western Neb and illegal hunters and poachers are my biggest problem. We allow public hunting, as long as they ASK PERMISSION we give it. But there are those who think they have the right to tresspass and tear our property up and drive on our cropland and pastures without any regard for our property rights.
I'm the one who spends time and money planting (turkeys, quail, pheasants & chuckers) birds and putting out feed, minerals, cover areas and water to the critters, not them. I've yet to have the 1st hunter who's been given permission to hunt our land offer me as much as a quail out of their bag or buy me a cup of coffee in town.:(
Hnter

[fabsroman]

That is horrible. One guy I hunt with brings a ham to every farmer that lets him hunt and we always offer to give them geese and ducks if they want them. Personally, I only have permission to hunt two farms and I know the land owners so well that if they need help with something I don't hesitate to lend a hand. That is what is wrong with hunters in general. Actually, I will say that is what is wrong with people in general.

Almost everybody thinks about themselves first and they don't care about anybody else. I thought it would be different in the country, but it doesn't seem to be that way. A lot of the country guys are jealous that I drive a nice new truck and that I have nice new guns, so they really give me a hard time. I have no idea what to do about people in general. I guess we just have to give a person the benefit of the doubt until he proves us wrong. Then, log it into memory and never allow him to do it again.

[hnter]

I should probably post this elsewhere but.....

It is, IN MY OPINION, that hunters are their own wost enemy. The average rancher/farmer works the land and if PROPERLY ASKED will allow public access for hunting. However he/she doesn't appriciate having our doors banged upon and being asked for permission to hunt at 10 PM the night before or at 5AM the morning of the hunt !!!

HAPPENS ALL THE TIME !!!!!:(
and they wonder why we say NO, or some charge for hunting access !!!!:confused:
Nope, not one hunter has ever asked if he/she could help with chores, fencing or anything else.
hnter