GAS PRICE`s are going up I heard it this morning,...

[Wolvie]

Well I guess there`s some perks to working at a carry out ,...
Found out this morning from the regional manager that in this area(Upstate NY) gas prices could reach close to $3.00 a gal. by Saturday or even earlier.

Gas prices here now are at $2.29 a gal for the cheap stuff (not being funny here),and $2.51 a gal for the higher Octane stuff.

I asked my supervisor if he (the regional manager) meant that the higher octane was going to be around or close to $3.00 a gal.
She said no that the lower octane was going to be at approx. $3.00 a gal.

I am thinking of trading in my F150 for a quarter horse or horse or mule.
Better get my chaps out and cowboy boots as well.
Yippie KI YEA!!!!

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Skinny Shooter]

This is going to hurt our economy and we are already feeling it. Our orders are down from previous years and it's only going to get worse. We can thank the media for lowering consumer confidence and spreading the seeds of worry.
I expect gas to hit $4 and maybe $5 per gallon.

edited to fix muh grammar

[Wolvie]

It has been rumored that gas prices are just the tip of the iceberg.
It is gettin really scarey and hairy now.
The book of Revalations is truely coming to life before our very eyes.

I would start thinkin of better ways to get to and from wherever, and doing it with friends and family and co-workers to help ease the hurt that is going to be put upon us due to a president with no B _ _ _ S !! to get the job done in the middle east.

Those Arabes know they have us by the
B_ _ _ S , and there aint a dang thing we all can do about it.

Start prayin everyone,....this could be the start of a Revolution in the 21st century that we never wanted.

Wow !!! what a life huh,....one minute we are all talkin about huntin and the next we all might have to do it to survive,....I wonder how are those PETA`s going to survive?!

Later ALL
LOOKIN for a horse and saddle, will trade F-150 Pick up

SAFE HUNTIN ALL~

[Jack]

I knew it had ta be the media's fault that gas prices were high and going higher.....

[Skinny Shooter]

Originally posted by Jack
I knew it had ta be the media's fault that gas prices were high and going higher.....

Jack, you might have something there, they really do subsist on sensationalism (or feel they have to). Oil futures are bought accordng to how the future market is predicted. Who knows, maybe the media does have some part of it.

Going back to my original thought, their publishing every single blip in the stock market and the speculation that follows along with "predictions" by the "experts" of how bad we are doing (and are going to do) just makes people tighten their wallets and pocketbooks more and more.

Which is why I feel they play a major role in how the public spends their money.

Good job.


Allen

[toxic111]

I wish I was paying $2.50/gal for gas! Here it is $91.5/l which works out to about $3.46/gal (this is not taking in the difference in our money just for the ease of explaining it)

Whats worse, is that I live in the heart of oil country, I have a refinery less than 2 miles from my house and a huge (multi billion dollar) upgrader just out side of town, and we still pay some of the highest prices in Alberta!

[Skinny Shooter]

Here's an example of oil futures for Winter being decided now:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050706/bs_nm/markets_oil_dc_19

LONDON (Reuters) - Oil prices broke back above $60 a barrel on Wednesday, with a tropical storm in the oil-producing U.S. Gulf of Mexico compounding worries over refiners' ability to bolster pre-winter fuel supplies.

U.S. crude oil futures gained 60 cents to $60.19 a barrel and London Brent rose 52 cents to $58.81 a barrel.

"The hurricane threat has certainly raised people's fears of refiners struggling to produce enough products, particularly at a time when demand for gasoline is high," said Daniel Hynes, resource analyst at ANZ Institutional Banking.

Hedge fund investors are betting peak winter demand will stretch supplies, particularly of heating oil and other high-demand distillate fuels.

Tropical storm Cindy is posing a threat to oil infrastructure in the Gulf of Mexico, home to a quarter of U.S. oil and gas output. Tropical storm Dennis is also gathering strength in the Caribbean Sea.

The U.S. federal Minerals Management Service said 3 percent of daily Gulf oil and gas production had been shut as a precaution as energy companies evacuated some workers from platforms.

The U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami said it was the earliest date on record for four named tropical storms to have formed in the Atlantic basin, underscoring predictions that the 2005 hurricane season could be unusually active.

Robust demand helped bolster the average retail price for U.S. gasoline to within a few cents of the all-time high and diesel fuel also hit a new record, the U.S. government said this week.

Oil market sentiment may turn even more bullish if the preliminary forecast on weekly U.S. crude stocks is proved correct. Stocks are expected to have fallen by 1.2 million barrels, according to a Reuters survey.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration releases its report for the week to July 1 on Thursday.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries last week suspended talk of increasing production by a further 500,000 bpd, a decision analysts said had limited impact in a market supported by refinery bottlenecks rather than a shortage of crude.

OPEC's president said last week the group could bring on the extra production if prices rose back to $60 a barrel.

Despite signs that U.S. demand is running strong, No. 2 oil consumer China has been showing signs of weaker-than-expected growth this year, data has shown.

Major Chinese refiners, who have been exporting unusually large volumes of gasoline and diesel this year, have cut back operating rates in July as soaring crude costs turn their margins negative for low, state-set domestic retail sales.

[Jack]

Skinny, I got a feeling that what has the public's mind on gas prices is stopping at the gas station and filling up, not reading the paper.
When a $20 used to fill the tank 2 years ago, and now it's nearly a $50, people notice, and the media has nothing to do with it.

[Andy L]

It costs 70-80 to fill my truck up. That does bite, hard. And, were not in a traditionally high area, not even close.

Wolvie, you may be right, but I would be surprised. Im not saying I dont believe in the bible. I do. But, signs of the end of times are always coming. Always have. I remember in the early 70s, the preacher standing and pounding on the pulpit, preaching that the end of times were near. The highjackings of airplanes, wars and rumors of wars, the leader of Iran was the anti-christ, the economy was in the pits, ect..... I followed it right along, scared to death. Then my grandpa told me not to worry too much. It was the same when he was a kid, just different players. Hitler, japs, depression, ect....

Ive actually thought about it alot. Another thing he told me then, sticks with me. It will come in the twinkling of an eye and you will know not the time or day.

Revelations? Possible, but I surely doubt it......

Andy

[DON WALKUP]

here in kaliphornia, we're near the $3.00 per gallon mark already and have been for a while.

i saw an interview with an oil corp CEO on the fox news "business" segment recently and he openly said "don't be surprised to see gasoline at $3.00 per gallon before the end of the year."

i believe what was said earlier in this thread ... that $5.00 per gallon is the oil industries goal ...

i also heard the CEO of mobil (?) in an interview say "we are entitled to a profit" ... that profit was something over $11 billion if i remember what he said correctly.

of course it will afffect the ecomomy but that's not all bad when you think about it ... it has already begun to slow down the building and developing here in the rural area where i live. that $3.00 per gallon is being passed onto the consumer and the consumer is reaching the point of "sorry, can't afford it ..." we're now seeing the $500,000.00 houses sit vacant ...

i know for a fact, the high cost of fuel has affected MY 'economy'.

[Andy L]

In my job, I have no choice but to drive. I put approx 40k miles per year on. And, with my F250 Diesel, it costs anywhere from $60 to $70 dollars, sometimes more, to fill er up, almost daily, it seems anyway. That stings some.

I gotta have a truck, pulling my camper when we want to go somewhere, bass boat and hunting. I tried buying a little cheap car that got 30 mpg, but it was just costing more. It seems it should have saved me, but by the time you recognize the savings, the car was going to be worn out. Im better off driving my truck and not gettin on it much, it will get 16-19 mpg if I drive it right......

As for the economy, it will effect it. People make x number of dollars. People are reliant on fuel to get to work to make those dollars. If it costs more to get there and back, that leaves less dollars for luxuries, vacations, more expensive food, eating out, new houses, ect..... Its not going to help anyone. Pretty simple. If Joe Blows Bar and Grill isnt getting as much business because people are spending money on fuel instead of eating and drinking in his place, then hes gonna lay off his employees as needed. Cant be good.

For my business, I have noticed that downturns in economy help in the short term, sad as it is, but not the long term. In the short term, some people out of work and desperate will steal or sell drugs to make ends meet. They get arrested and it boosts our business. But, as the economy gets worse, mom and dad and friends dont have the money to get them out anymore, so it goes down again. And the jails fill up.

See what happens.

Andy

[Wolvie]

Gas prices in my area are now at $2.45 a gal for Reg unleaded, and $2.70 a gal. for the Super Unleaded stuff.

Prices are to stay on a trend upward of .6 cents to ..11 cents through the next couple to few weeks.
Partly due to the Hurricaine (Dennis the Menace), and also the war in the middle east.
Also to note,...the media here hasnt printed much on the soring gas price surges ,...they are printing more about people coming up lost and or found and about a local POND (I call it a lake or was one), dam that had broke.

I thought I would update everyone for the area I am in so if you plan to come this way you`ll know what to expect as far as gas prices.

Later ALL
SAFE HUNTIN~

[popplecop]

Reg. gas went to $2.39 yesterday, jumped 14 cents a gallon in one leap. After reading some of the other posts I won't complain, at least here.

[fabsroman]

What I have read is that if everybody in the US bought a car that got about 7 miles per gallon better gas mileage, we would have absolutely no reliance on the Arab nations. If a lot of people made their homes energy efficient, that would help us out too.

Problem is that nobody wants to invest the money to do so, and with the rat race that we have (i.e., bigger is better) everybody wants the SUV like the guy next door.

When I went to Italy 4 years ago, people were driving cars that sat only 2 or 3 people and the cars were extremely small and good on gas. The Toyota Prius gets 55 mpg and there are other hybrids out there. If people would switch to hybrids or alternative fuel vehicles, we wouldn't be having this problem with gas and we could tell the Arab nations to pee up a rope.

Problem is, nobody wants to do it. Like I have been telling my wife of a day, life is full of problems and we just need to work out a solution. Gas is high, so there are several options:

1. Find a job closer to home
2. Get a car with better gas mileage
3. Buy a motorcycle
4. Buy a bicycle

When I was younger (i.e., too young to drive), I rode my bike 10 miles each way to a bike shop to work.

Right there, the Chinese have a step up on us. Plenty of them rides bikes and are in much better shape than Americans. We have an obesity problem because people are used to an easy life.

Let's all stop complaining about everything, put our heads down, and push on. If you have the money, spend it. If you do not have the money, find an alternative.

To think that I am a pessimist.

As far as spending is concerned, I got married last night and we recouped over 50% of the cost of the reception in monetary gifts, not to mention the items that we received from our registry. So, the economy cannot be doing too bad.

[Wolvie]

I have done and have basically 3 out of the 4 items.

I work 1 block from the house,...
I have a small car that gets more then 7 miles to the gal and one that gets 19 miles to the gal in the city.
And I have a brand new 15 speed mountain bike.

As for a motorcycle,....I cant afford one of them ,....those are becoming the caddys of vechicles now.

As for complaining about the gas prices and stuff,....I feel that everyone needs to vent, and this is probly the only real way of doing that ,...I think most people complain because they want to see if they are the only ones complaining about whatever.
Which is kewl to me,...cause I do it.

It`s sort of a sounding off, and survey issue in our minds.
I am glad to see that there are more people thinking like me and feeling the way I do.
Now I dont feel alone in my complaints and so on.

Life is going to get harder and more expensive,as we go,...but as I have always said we all need to work together and harder to keep what we have or we are going to lose it,...
Voting in the right people is one thing but we ALL need to back them and help them know what we ALL want.

Standing against those that try to oppress us,...is the only way we will ever keep or gain what we have and will have.

Later ALL
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Skinny Shooter]

Put on your tinfoil hats...

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

End of the Age of Oil? Not Yet (http://www.worldthreats.com/general_information/End%20of%20Age%20of%20Oil.htm)

[IchWarrior]

Getting my Motorcycle endorsement in a few days... 50 Mpg! Weeeee!


The commute is short enough, hopefully Ill save even more gas.

[DaMadman]

If gas prices get too much worse I am buying a deisel truck and running it on Biodeisel (used french fry oil) and that's a fact jack.

[Wolvie]

Prices here in Upstate NY went down .2 cents yesterday,...but are to rise again by the weekend by .4 cents.

WAS : 2.47 a gal.
NOW: 2.45 a gal.
WEEKEND POSSIBLE: 2.49 a gal.

It has been said that by August $3.00 a gal will be the norm.
And with Emily moving in,...we could be seeing a rise in gas prices early as next week.

Later ALL
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Andy L]

You know what I think? I think its all a bunch of BS. Iraq OWES us alot. We paid dearly for them to rid themeselves of a tyrant. We paid dearly to help them start their own country and at least have a chance at a good life. We saved Kuwaits ass a decade ago from the same tyrant. And, in a way, Saudi Arabia. They were no doubt next on the hit list.

We should see some returns on that investment soon. They have plenty of oil. Instead of worrying about three dollar plus oil, we should be looking forward to gas under a buck. Someone, OPEC and the refineries, are getting rich. This is total BS, at our expense.

There is no oil shortage. There is no energy shortage of any kind. Water, wind, solar, all kinds of energy are renewable. Oil isnt, not quickly anyway, but there is plenty of it. Maybe its time we quit lining the pockets of the big companies and start using some of our own right here in our mainland, offshore and Alaska. Let the middle east suck on that for a while and maybe they will be happy to make a few billion a month instead of a few trillion.

I guess you can take what I think and a few dollars and go get a gallon of gas though......

Andy

Edit,
Although it makes good economic sense, and probably good sense all the way around, it is a crying shame that we must burn french fry oil for gods sake, in our vehicles. We give our money, our militarys lives, everything to these bastards and we gotta burn used french fry oil to survive. Something is wrong with this picture.

Does anyone remember the way war used to be? To the victor goes the spoils? What happened to that? If we used that mentality today, we would be back to the good ole fifty cent gas. Maybe we should rethink this a bit. I hear Iraq is beautiful, at least along the rivers. Take over that country, we got all the cheap gas we want, the people can have good jobs running resorts and everyone comes out a winner. We need another state. One with lots of oil and vacation spots. Then maybe we could all afford a vacation.

If we used that mentality, why not just go ahead and take over Syria and Iran as well. They have done nothing but fight us forever. Might as well have their oil as well.

[Wolvie]

Far fetched,...I am with you brother!!!!

America has become a stepping stone for the goat herders of the middle east,..and what do we as Americans have to show for it except high gas prices and low wages,...and companies closing.
America the free?!
I am starting to wonder if that is even going to be our motto in the next few coming years.?
But as working Americans we cant do nothing until we put a goverment in place that sees it as we do,...and says "Let`s not be led into the valley of death by our enemy" But instead lead them to their fate of doom"!
Take from them what they have been taking from us for years,....their lively hood,....Why should Americans go poor and be without to help a thankless country ,who wants to put us all in the ground,..and take America out of existance all together.?!!!

I say turn the tables ,..open our lines in Alaska and anywhere else we have fuel,...open our stock piles and cut off all relief and aide to those that are recieving it and are thankless for our help.
America is the land of the FREE , and we deserve to be free, as do our childerns childern,...

I am behind you Andy and anyone else that sees it the way you and I do,...

And in closing I would like to say,...if we are to survive and keep our freedom,...and what we have ,..we need to take theirs,..and stop this kindness crap,..or civil actions,...barrerics we need to be, in a barrberic time that we live.

Later ALL
SAFE HUNTIN~

[PJgunner]

You can count me in on this. Back in the late 1960s, IIRC, they were discussing a special type of nuke called the neutron bomb. It's design made it am extremely dirty bomb that would do little destruction to buildings and other infrastructure, but the radiation would totally wipe out the population. Of course, all the bleeding hearts and the U.N. all objected to so inhumane a weapon, but maybe that wasn't such a bad idea after all. Neutron bomb the entire Middle East, wait the three months for the radiation to dissipate and move on in and take it over. FWIW, there are rumors that Israel does have such weapons.
I've seen in the local paper where half the royal Saudi family wants to cut us off completely and the other half does not. So far, the half that is on our side controls the oil.
Still, I strongly suspect that they are supporting Al Quaida under the table. Most likely the half that hates us anyway, but I would not be surprised if the "friendly" side wasn't involved as well.
Then there is the current president of Venezuala, Hugo Chavez who hates our guts. We get a big portion of our oil from them, and all he has to do is say, "No more oil to the U.S. and just what in hell are we going to do about that? Maybe it's time the CIA started taking up "wet work" again.
I also think it is time the average American quits wringing his hands saying, "Woe is me." and get his head out of his butt and take back his country. Cheap oil? Hell no! Not as long as the oil companies can buy off our politicians. I've said this before, and I'll say this again. "WE HAVE THE BEST GOVERNMENT MONEY CAN BUY!" As long as big business gives the politicians their campaign money, they will always call the shots which will make it easy for them to control our government, quietly under the table.
I don't know about anyone else, but personally, I'M MAD AS HELL!
Paul B.

[Rocky Raab]

Just to rescue this thread from political degeneration (I hope), here's a LINK (http://www.gasbuddy.com/) to a site called Gas Buddy. Just click on a state and then search a city to find the lowest - and highest - gas prices with the last three days. It's VERY handy to locate the nearest, cheapest gas, especially if you're on the road. Even if you're at home, you can find a good price - and the places to avoid!

[Wolvie]

The Full truth here is that America is becoming a hostage to other countries that we deal with,...
DEGENERATION? Well if your saying that we are gettin carried away and out of sight,...Your right Rocky,...America is, & "gas buddy" .com aint making me feel any better.
All it tells me I cant travel anywhere even if I had the money to do so.And it tells me we are losing this war in the middle east and we are no closer to bringing our kids,mothers,fathers, or any of our troops home from the murdering,butchering middle east.
Our goverment needs to open up our supply lines and take care of its own!!!!

"And that is all I have to say about that".quoated by Forrest Forrest Gump*


Later ALL
SAFE HUNTIN~

[fabsroman]

Okay, I didn't have the time to read everything posted, but read enough to see where this thread is.

While on vacation this past week, I read a book called "1942" which us written by the author of Forest Gump and it chronicles the beginning of World War II and how the Allies turned the tide. At the end, it also gives a little history of what happened there. A lot of the war was for expansion. Japan needed more land and economic resources because it had out grown its island. Same thing with Germany, but probably not the case with Italy. Anyway, they were all headed to the middle east and the oil that they needed. Japan was negotiating with the US over 2 million gallons of high test airplane fuel when Pearl Harbor happened. So, we saved the middle east yet again, but took nothing. We didn't gain any land whatsoever.

In winning the war, we didn't gain anything and even helped pay to rebuild Europe and Japan. We helped rebuild Europe to help prevent Russia from getting a communist grip on Europe when nobody had jobs after the war. I don't know exactly why we helped Japan out, but maybe we felt sorry about dropping the bomb on it.

In the end, trying to take over any middle eastern country with oil would cause World War III for sure. War and politics aren't an easy thing.

[Wolvie]

We are turning into a country that cant even take car of our own,...So really what do we have to lose?!

Our own people are starving,and jobless, and if the gas prices continue (which they are and will),to rise,...theres going to be alot more people out of a job and without a home even.

I think we need to either, crap or get off the pot!
Either our goverment gets off their ARSE`s and allows our troops to do their job,...and get rid of all the terriorist BS and start showing we got some Balls!!!

Otherwise,....we`ll all be seeing America Aid Benefit.


Later ALL
SAFE HUNTIN~

[skeeter@ccia.com]

fabs....first of all...congrats on the wedding...remember it only works if you want it to....so one of those things ya have to work at at times...33 yrs here and to my first wife still...
as for getting a job closer to home?...where have you been?..people are loosing jobs every day..how can you quit a good paying job just to move closer to home?..work just not there..my jobsite moved from one mile from here to the next county because of the taxes they got hit with...pension, bennies..all that..had to drive longer..and some of us need a ride bigger than a 3 seater just to tote the fishing / hunting gear to the local sportsmans club. I have strapped my tackle box on the luggage rack of an MG once when partner picked me up in it...na...just doesn't work..and I could see my toolbox on the back of my bicycle...is why they invented motors...our local club mascot is 30 and still gets around on his bicycle....fishing gear and all ...we unwind the line from the spokes and sprockets all the time....not for me...you and everyone else knows very well what is going on...the WAR....and we might be winning the battle but the arabs are winning the war...they are out to destroy us and this is the best way..oil....I have a nuke power plant only 10 miles from home..and 2 hydro electric stations only 3 blocks from my house..electric is going up still...they say have to pay for the plants...yea right...fill my pockets...is what it is all about....no matter if in the mill or in a suit.....hurray for me and he$$ with the next guy....seems to be the new American way of life....meanwhile, I sit at my camper at the club only 10 miles from here because too expensive to take it anywhere and say...It is still the best darn place in the world to live in...USA

[Wolvie]

Either we need to take the middle east and make it America #2 or just get the He** out of there.

And start taking care of our own !!!

Later ALL
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Jabba]

How about a little perspective here.

1980. Gas was $1 a gallon. A candy bar was $.25 and a coke out of a machine was $.25. A pay telephone call was $.10.

2005. A candy bar is $.69. A coke in a machine is $.75-$1.00 and a pay phone call is $.50.

According to that... Gas Should be $2.50-$3.00 a gallon.

Why SHOULD gasoline be immune to the SAME INFLATION that affects everything else?

Gas prices have been artificially LOW for 2 decades. They are just now evening out, and people are in a tizzy. Plus... $.75/gal of the cost of gasoline is TAXES!

Get a grip people!

Jabba

[fabsroman]

Americans are plain soft.

I quit a good paying job 3 years ago to go out on my own and see what I could do. The last three years haven't been easy and I have been working a lot more than I did at the firm, if that is humanly possible.

Like I said, I read a book about World War II over my honeymoon and it seems as though the entire World War II events are starting again, just with different characters.

Ten years before World War II, the USA suffered the Great Depression and everybody had the feeling that we should take care of our own problems before looking for others in Europe and the Pacific. Problem is that the problems found us via Pearl Harbor. Then, the Germans and the Japanese were heading to take over the Middle East and that was a huge concern for us.

Today, can you imagine how pissed off China and Russia would be if we took over the Middle East? China is already pissed that Congress is getting involved in a oil company purchase because we are saying it is a matter of national security, which it probably is. Lets keep in mind that both Russia and China have nukes.

Bottom line is that Americans have to suck it up and learn to drive less or use tavel means that are more gas friendly. Gas in Europe was close to $5 a gallon back in 2001 when I visited, but the economic situation didn't seem to be too bad over there. They learned to deal with it.

I have a 2003 F-350, a 1989 5.0 Mustang, a 1998 Taurus and I drive the Taurus way more than any of them because of the gas situation. The truck only has 3,800 miles on it. The wife has a Hyundai Sonata that gets about the same gas mileage as the Taurus, maybe a little better.

If you commute a lot and need a truck for work, you need to seriously consider how much of your time is wasted driving and how much money is wasted on gas. If you get a lower paying job that requires a lot less driving, you will save on gas, your vehicle will last longer, and you will have more free time. In the end, it is up to your personal goals. I had one client, a body man, that was driving 2 hours each way for work because he made more money where he was working and homes cost a lot less where he was living. However, he went through cars left and right, got plenty of speeding tickets, lost his license, etc. It might not have been worth it.

I know that the wife and I will be getting a hybrid when we have to replace one of the cars. Hopefully, the technology will be really good by then. Or in the alternative, we will get a diesel. Right now, we are looking at the Escape Hybrid and hoping that the make an Explorer or Expedition hybrid in the future. Personally, I would buy the Escursion in diesel, but the wife doesn't want to drive something that big.

The issue of taking over the Middle East isn't that simple. Yes, sometimes I think the entire world would be better off if it were under US rule, but I am probably biased.

Do you guys really want to go through a World War over oil?

[PJgunner]

Fabs said, "Do you guys really want to go through a World War over oil?"

Not really, but, we may not have a choice. :(

You know, when all this oil crunch business started up, people were screaming about the oil compaies "obscene" profits. From what I've been reading lately, gas prices continue to rise and the oil companies profits are rising even faster. Is there something wrong with this picture?

It used to be said that, "What was good for General Motors was good for the country." :rolleyes: Maybe we should rephrase that to, "What is good for the oil companies is BAD for the country!" :mad: Just another example of corporate greed, my friends. They could back off a bit on their profits, which would be good for the country. Of course, the stock holders in their greed would raise all kinds of hell. Remember, they're the haves, and we're the have nots. The problem is, in their greed, thay are destroying the best country that ever existed, and I don't like it.
Don't expect the government to do anything about it. After all, the big corporations have the best government they can buy.
Paul B. :mad: as hell!

[Wolvie]

YES!!!!
I am ready to fight for what I got and what I want,...and for anything else that is rightious.

At least I wont be killing because I took a PLANE FLYING course and then crash it into a big oppps! 2 Big Buildings,....and I wont be killing our childern and women for not walking forty paces behind their men,..with vails on or for not being dressed in black head to toe,...
INSTEAD<>>>>>>!!!!

I`d be killing to keep my FREEDOM,my livelyhood,MY OIL,...And I would ask God to allow this "World War " to happen right here on our Soil!!!
So that way,....We as American Citizens can show the whimps that spit on us for helping and dying for them that this is the way you protect and keep your country,...
Not by allowing dectators to tell you a bunch of BS and then rise up and strike down their very own people.

**And one more thing,....Taking a closer job? Taking a lower paying job?,...**

Fabs,.....Please dont get upset with me,...But where the heck you livin` Bro!?

I live in a small town, theres nothing here,...you "HAVE" to drive a car,truck ,whatever.
As for a lower paying job,... tried that too bro,...not only did I get a lower paying job,..but they reduced my hours to 29 hrs a week!
I have a family and pay child support,..Now how am I suppose to live on that and support a family on $7.00 an hr at 29 hrs a week, with Child support deductions of $about 100.00 a wk being deducted???!!!So after my 29 hr wk @ $7.00 for a grand total of $203.00 (GROSS)< then reduced by $100.00 for child support<then reduced by taxes,lets say another $35.00,So lets see that leaves ole Wolvie about $68.00 a wk to pay on his home,lights,heating,phone,and put food on the table.

I`ll make a suggestion ,...come live my life,...walk in my shoes,...You`ll see that "REALITY" is here,...and theres no gravy train in these parts.
And there is simply NO WAY in HE@@ I will go 50 -60 miles looking for work ,because no one wants to pay you for anything,...hourly or not mileage or not,..NOTHING and thats why I am so GOD D@()()# Ticked off right now,...I am about to lose everything because there is just nothing here,...I cant even go out and make $500.00 to move back to Ohio, let alone make it here.

We are all screwed,....unless we are all aloud to fight for our Right as a FREE Citizen of AMERICA!!!!! OR paid for what we are worth which is alot more then min. wage of $5.15 an hr. or even $7.00 an hr.Heck that wont buy ya much unless your a kid and live with mommy and daddy and have NO bills!!!

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Wolvie]

Do you remember reading about and or learning about "The Boston Tea Party",..

Bring the Lipton Brother,...I`ll help ya serve it up and anyone else that wants to attend "The Party"!!!

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Andy L]

I hear ya Wolvie.

I hear all this talk about public transportation. What public transportation? Where I live, I have to drive. Alot. Usually over 40,000 miles per year. If I wanna keep doing what Im doing, and I do. Hell, its over two miles just to go to a convenience store. My wife has to drive approx 55 miles per day to work. The town closest to us, you cant get a job paying over about $10 per hour, unless your a professional or lucky enough to get into management at one of the few places that do have management positions.

If we all needed to utilize public transportation, in the real world, we would all have to live in cities. NO THANKS. We have had that discussion before and I would rather go back to horses than do that.

As for all the cars, I put a pencil to that. I thought that was the way to go. I could use a car for work and keep my truck just for pulling my camper, boat and hunting. Wont work. If I bought a cheaper driving car that got better fuel mileage, it would be worn out way before it ever paid for itself in fuel. Thats factoring in the cost of the car, insurance and the fuel it burns compared to what my truck burns.

Jabba,
With all do respect, BS. Rising fuel costs result in rising shipping which results in higher candy bars and higher sodas. Im not against oil companies making a profit. They should, just like everyone else. But they dont have to completely shaft us and get all the money. Which is where its headed.

Wolvie,
I dont think we got a choice but to fight WWIII. I think we are already doing it. I dont necessarily think its going to be over oil, but that will no doubt be a factor. I dont want it on our soil though, for several reasons. One, Im selfish. I dont want what I have worked for to be lost in war. And, historically, it seems to me that whoevers turf wars are fought on, lose. I would rather take the fight to them.

I do think some of it will be (already has been) fought on our soil. JMO.

I also think we need to toughen up a bit. When we whip someones butt that has a load of oil, we get cheap oil. Dont have to rob them, just get whats coming to us. They can still make money. Thats why I dont understand why were not getting cheap oil from Iraq and Kuwait.

Andy

[Jabba]

Originally posted by Andy L


Jabba,
With all do respect, BS. Rising fuel costs result in rising shipping which results in higher candy bars and higher sodas. Im not against oil companies making a profit. They should, just like everyone else. But they dont have to completely shaft us and get all the money. Which is where its headed.
Andy

Andy... there is a lot of room for discussion and different opinions. no disrespect taken.

You surely don't think that the cost of fuel has driven the cost of everything up as much as it has gone do you? You make a good point that rising fuel costs DO drive up the cost of a candy bar... but it does not make it triple. So what WOULD be ok? SHOULD gas prices stay at $1 forever even though people are making 3 times as much money? What's reasonable?

Don't get me wrong here either fellas. I think we SHOULD be stomping holes in the middle east. I also think we should be building nuke plants, and developing electric and hydrogen delivery systems so we can get off foreign oil, and tell them to shove their oil up their collective arses.

Our biggest battle, IMO is within this country. You're all right... the politicians have got to go. I am not advocating an armed revolution though. What we need to do, and CAN do is fire them all on election day. And we need to do it during the PRIMARIES. Many people will not vote against their party lines and I understand that. So... push the party to offer an alternative to the incumbent and fire him at primary time.

Who has written their senators and congressmen in the last month? Do it.

Ya'll have internet. Do a Google search on their name and you'll get a link to their official website and they all have means to e-mail them. DO it. Weekly. It only takes a second. Tell them what you want... and if they don't do it... FIRE them at the polls.

Jabba

[fabsroman]

Okay, you guys are killing me. It seems as though you want your cake and you want to eat it too. Yes, I live in the city, but I would prefer the country. I went out to Arizona and Nevada for my honeymoon and I saw land for sale at $100 an acre up to $175 an acre. I just paid $333,000 for my place last year which is a townhouse on .10 acres and it is now worth $420,000. In Arizona or Nevada, that would buy me one heck of a ranch with a decent sized house on it. I saw plenty of elk crossing and mountain goat crossing signs and would love to be out there hunting them.

Problem is that I cannot make any money out there. There aren't enough people that need legal or CPA services.

So, for those of you crying about how far you live from your jobs and how bad the situation is where you live, get up and move. Don't complain that you live 100 miles away from work. That is a life style choice, especially if you want to live in the country.

Why are there more jobs in the city? Probably because there are more people, more retailers, more construction, etc.

For those of you wanting war, life is not as simple as it was 65 years ago when there were no nukes. If China fires nukes at us, who should we nuke after that? Should we only retaliate against China? If we only retaliated against China, Russia would probably come right into both countries and mop up. Should we also fire against Russia to set it back too? If so, Russia would fire against us and we would definitely be doomed, not to mention that most of the entire world would be suffering a fallout situation.

I have no argument with us being in the Middle East and taking care of terrorism. What I have a problem with is you guys thinking that we can just park ourselves over there and take the oil without there being any repurcussions. Trust me, it is a delicate situation.

As far as wanting war on our own soil, you have definitely lost your mind. I would never wish that on my own country. Sure, it would make it tougher for their supply line, but I am sure that plenty of people would be killed here and plenty of infrastructure would be lost.

Regarding the rising oil prices, I thought there was something passed in the 1930's preventing price fixing and cartels. Seems as though Microsoft got sued over it lately and Bell got split up 20 years ago over it. How is it that the oil companies can get away with price fixing? It would seem that most of them are charging the same price for gas and there is absolutely no competition.

If you are mad about the price of gas, start buying hybrids or electric cars. That will force the car manufacturers out there to make the cars. Does GM have a hybrid out yet? What about Chrysler? I find it completely apalling that Ford only has the Escape Hybrid.

Meanwhile, the Japanese are turning out hybrid after hybrid like they turned out gas friendly cars in the late 70's and early 80's. That changed the automotive industry for sure and I think the Japanese will do it again. There already is the Honda Accord, the Honda Civic, the Toyota Prius, the Lexus SUV, and I am sure I am missing a bunch.

Don't get mad, get even. Show the auto industry what you want and let the oil companies know they can go to hell.

Of course, that would mean buying a new car and the price tag is slightly higher on the hybrids too. So, if you don't have the money, go back to the top where I talk about life style choices.

Just as we do not have the right to health insurance, there is no right to hunting, fishing, vacationing, etc. These are all things that must be earned. My honeymoon was my first week long vacation in 3 years and I did barely any hunting last year. That was a lifestyle choice.

[Jabba]

Fabs... I'd LOVE to live in the country too... but like you... I can't make enough money there. And you are right... that is a lifestyle choice.

There are lots of us out here that WANT to live rural, but choose to live suburban or urban in order to minimize expenses and travel time while maximizing earnings.

Fabs is right on... if you can't make a living where you are... MOVE. One of the GREAT things about America. If you don't WANT to move... deal with it.

Anyone that can work, can get a job framing houses. It pays $10 to start and $15 real quick if you are a worker. The framing market is full of "undocumented guest workers" (Illegal aliens) that the contractors would love to let go and hire American workers.

There ARE opportunities.

Jabba

[Jabba]

Oh yeah... by the way, gas prices went down here today.

$2.39 to $2.08.

Jabba

[fabsroman]

I have several clients with employees just like Jabba referred to. The problem that they have is that they cannot find anybody else and they pay these guys between $10 and $15 an hour.

Personally, I think there are great places in America where manual laborers are needed. Hell, I make just as much money as an attorney/CPA as my brother does as a body man. However, he works smack dab in the middle of the city and it takes him over 30 minutes to drive 10 miles to work.

There are plenty of oppotunities in the USA, but there are also small towns that are dying because they don't have much to offer or many people at all. Look at all the ghost towns left by miners out in the west. If you were living in one of these places as it was declining, you were SOL. I am sure that towns like that exist today. I am fortunate in that I live close to DC and there is a ton of federal money around here. Then again, it also creates a huge demand on housing and I have to pay that price when looking for a house.

Gas also went down 14 cents here over the past couple of days. The oil companies might just be probing to see what the demand will be if they increase prices.

[Wolvie]

Gas Prices here have basically settled at or around from $2.39 a gal to $2.53 a gal.
According where your at in the state, of course if you close to like Albany or New York City,...you`ll pay top $$$ a gal.

And to just be curious, I would like to know how many of us make good living enough to move to another place in the US ,?

Fabs,..And Jabba ,...I am led to believe you guys are in some real nice jobs and I don`t condemn you for that, instead I idolize you for it.I wish I was in a good career,...but I `m not ,..
I make under $14,500.00 a year.
With my girlfriends SS money every month and the apartment we rent out we have an income of just under $35,000.00 a year.And that supports her,my 9 yr old son,her 17 yr old daughter (who works PT to pay for her own stuff),and all that mopney pays for everything like mortgage,heating/electric/phone/cable,phone/and gas for our 1 vechile and that doesn`t include food,..or anything else.

Now how do I afford to go live in let`s say Albany NY ?! Where it alot higher to live,...I have another Question, where are all these $10.00 an hr jobs?
I have been putting in resumes for months and most if not all are offering anywhere from $7.00 to $9.50 an hr.In this area anyways,..and if I want to "commute" about 65 mile (1 way),..I can make about $9.75 to $10.50 an hr.
Now do you think it is feasable and finiancially right for me to drive 65 miles (1 way),...everyday (5 -6 days a wk),..and still be able to make it or make it even better?

I say not,...because now I just increased my gas bill,....and not only that I am putting a hazard on my truck by driving it 650 to 845 miles a week.
Now not only gas prices are high, but oil,and other fluids ,..and if that wasn`t enough how about parts and so on.
I am not sure when it was that you last visited a auto parts store,...and I am not sure whether you grasp that vechiles run on more then just GAS ,...But if any of this escapes you or your budget you may want to consider the Full picture and not what is JUST at hand.
As a CPA I am sure that your clients are given scopes of how and what they should look for in future and not always look at the present,.due to the flucuating price market on all goods and services.So meaning that your clients are more to stay where they are and deal with it like the rest of us,....( I am not being mean or disrepectful,..Fabs ur the best), I am just tryin to understand how the Blue Collar working man/woman can afford to up and move to a city life just to be even more broke?!
As for WAR in this country,...on this land that we love,...it is going to happen for the plain and simple fact that Tax paying ,hard working Americans are growing tired of working and not having nothing to depend on,..and our goverment has let us down for so many years,...we aren`t appt to sit back much longer and allow our goverment to sympathize with the middle east murders,...You I want to point one more thing out before I close,.....

Do you really know how to kill a country?
Make em pay for every single thing imaginable,.....
They are killing the USA and our goverment is helping them.

As for the question from JABBA,...Yes I email our goverment officials that are in office,...but do you really think they read or care about anything that is sent to them,...NOT,..all I get back is a pretyped TY letter and a bunch of BS blown up my arse.
While we are all out working ,..our goverment is out playing golf and taking cruises and St Thomas , Cancoon vacations.

Later ALL
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Jabba]

Wolvie... I sympathize man. I really do. I have been broke. I lived in a house for almost a year without electricity. Living on beans and mac and cheese. My wide and I actually had an arguement once about the fact that I spent $.50 on a can of pop. Things are better for me now. I am an HVAC designer. I work in an office, and I make a comfortable living. Substantially less than my wife. (Which is cool by me)

People do what they have to do to make ends meet. In Indianapolis, the housing market is booming. We have more mexicans here than you could swat with a fly swatter all day long. They are framing houses, finishing drywall, laying block, and working in agriculture. The going rate for them is $10/hr. I have a friend that runs his own framing crew. He starts laborers at $10/hr and most of the guys on his crew make $15. Granted this is without benefits.

Dude I know it's tough, and I know you don't want to move. If you're in a home that you own... that is really tough... if you are renting... find a job somewhere else, pack your stuff and move there. Thats sucks... but sometimes life sucks. The economy has become global. We have to compete with the mexicans now. It's a fact. Why WOULD a company want to pay an American worker $15/hr plus benefits when they can pay a mexican $3/hr without?

As bad as that deal is... you have to deal man. If I was elected benevolent dictator for life, one of the 1st things I'd do is clamp down on the borders and send the illegals out. But I am not... so we have to live with what our pansy leaders are doing, or not doing rather.

As far as writing them... you, in NY, have some sucky senators. Keep trying to get them fired... but you are pretty much at the mercy of NYC.


Jabba

[Wolvie]

I am on your level as I am with Fabs,..
I guess I am just more ticked off then some and now it is coming down to alot of losses,...and I am just really,REALLY tired of losing!! You know what I mean?!

I have worked hard in my life as well as others have,...I am 42 yrs old,.. I can`t wait for or hestitate in anyway to get my life "BACK" on track.
And NY has done this to me.
Alot of my friends tell me to go back to driving big truck,...15 yrs ago,...sure I sure would consider it,...but now!I just don`t know if that would help or hurt me and my family.?

It looks at this point as soon as I can raise $500.00 I will be moving to Ohio and leaving my girlfriend who owns this house we live in,...She just can`t give up what she got crippled for and I can`t ask her to do that.
So not only do I lose a good home and life with her, I lose her as well.
I can get a job in Ohio,..that pays (to start),$11 to $12.50 an hr), and that`s with no experience.
But the same job here in NY only pays $10.50 an hr and is harder then Hell to get into.I have applied at least 7 times in 6 months.I had 2 interviews and that was it,...another place couldn`t allow me to stay employed because ,.GET THIS CRAP! , I didnt have a bank account for "Direct Deposit".
I was like WHAT!!!!
I spent like $450.00 to go to the classes,.money I didnt even have , I sold my side job,..my riding mower to go do this crap,..and they gave me that BS,...So I took a cashier job , can u believe that SH$$ !!! A cashier! and only to have my hours cut to 29 hours a wk.at $7.00 an hr.
I pay out $100.00 a wk for child support,..then there`s taxes,..If I would have stayed there i would have been bringing home a $35 to $45.00 pay check.Who in the -------- can live on that?!!!

I tell you all,..I have worked harder looking for something then I have actually worked.
It is hard and the COLD HARD Truth of it all,...I have to do what i gotta do,...I gotta move to where the work is,..and SUCK on it!!

I tell you all this as well,....I PRAY and BEG and PLEAD for God to allow a war in this country,...So I can get my justice,...on those who have oppressed me and my family and friends,..I know i sound crazy,...BUT I am venting,...and I just cant understand how this country is going to the dogs and theres nothing anyone of us can do about it.THAT just SUX!!

I am very sorry everyone,....I needed to RANT and VENT,..even though it will do no good,...I hope that no one is or was offended by what i said,..and I would not blame HuntChat Mods if they deleted this POST or even kicked me out,...but i am an American ,.and like the other Millions of Americans I am just so drained on losing.

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Jabba]

Send me your Pay-Pal account. I'll chip in.

Leaving the woman does not have to be permanent either.


Jabba

[fabsroman]

Wolvie,

No problem with the ranting, but you might want to turn it into positive energy instead of all this negative stuff about war and life being miserable.

A little over three years ago, I quit the law firm that I was working for, figuring that I would take the client I had in the interim to make money from and interview at other firms. I got a $70,000 offer from a firm that was over an hour drive away, and I turned it down because of the drive and the area where it was located (i.e., I didn't want to move there).

I spent the next six months sending out more resumes than I can remember and going on more interviews than I can remember, all for naught. Didn't get a single offer from anybody other than the first one. So, I continued going it on my own and got lucky enough to pick up a personal injury case that I settled later for $300,000, of which my fee was close to $100,000. Picked up another personal injury case that I settled for $50,000, of which my fee was a little over $18,000. Right before I settled both of those cases, I did get a $50,000 offer from a guy close to where I live, and he was willing to give me 1/3 of what I brought in. Now, looking at what I settled just shortly thereafter and the fees I brought in, I would have been working for this guy for free the first year. Since then, which was January of 2003, I have been picking up clients over time and working my tale off ever since, and I am trying to make sure that I never have to work for another firm again. Sometimes, the money has been slow and others it has been good.

You just need to figure out a solution for yourself and keep plodding ahead. Complaining about things won't help you and a war definitely wouldn't help you. Who would you be fighting, the US government?

However, if you want somebody to talk to about anything, I am here for you and will try to give any advice I can.

Edited to add:

I didn't know about the girlfriend situation, so maybe moving isn't an option. However, why can't she sell her house and use the money to buy a house some where else? Is she just attached to the house you guys are in right now?

[Wolvie]

Jabba,.. I appreciate the offer bro,.....but I think I am just a little more upset then I probly should be,...
After taking some time to think and breath,..I got a phone call.
So I am trying for a bus driver position with a local school,..BIG School District.Upscale at that!
As for my girlfriend being attached to the home we live in now,..yes she is.She had worked for a slate company,..and she stacked ,and punched slate for years,...until she hurt her back,...then one night shortly(about 4 months later), after she hurt her back she was out and some guy that she wouldnt go out with ran her over with his car,sending her over the hood ,onto the roof and off the back side of the car.

She won a settlement,..and bought her house.
We tried moving to Ohio and renting the house out,.but the people we rented to just tore this place up.
It took us well over $6,000.00 to fix everything,..and we basically just got finished with the worst stuff.
Now we have other things that need to give attention to,like the roof and so on,..regualr wear and tear stuff, that has now caught up with us.
Mary ( my girl),...is good people,and dont ask for nothing,..we just deal with it on the fly and hope that we dont get caught with our pants down around our ankles.lol
Now she is going through this credit card thing ,that we thought was the state trying some crap for us ordering cigs.That wasnt the case,....So there alot that has happened in just the past week, and it hit us like a ton of STEEL,..(not bricks)lol,...
I was only considering moving to Ohio because I need to have money,...I live for money and since I have lived in this state I havent had it.
Bros and sis`s I have never been without.
I always had bows,guns,crossbows cars and camper,and 2 boats,and food in the house.

NY SUX! that`s the plain and honest approach here,..and I have to deal with it.We cant sale the house,..she got it through a goverment deal (HUD) , I believe and she still has to do a certain timeline thing I guess.
We have however been talking about renting it out again,..but I will have to find a way to do background checks and reference checks before I would even consider renting it out again.

But I want to say,...THANK YOU!!!! for being good people and caring enough to help and offer even more then I would have ever expected.
I consider you all my Bros/Sis`s and would be there for any of you if asked.

As for war in this country ,...who would I go after,...(and I am in a good mood,not being crazy here)lolol,..

Your right Fabs,... the goverment,...the suits that sit and take our Freedom and our lively hoods from us a little more every day.
And maybe some ex-bosses lol.

Ok all,...Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Jabba]

Peace on ya brother.

Good luck with the Bus driving gig.

Jabba

[Wolvie]

Thank Ya Bro!!!!

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[fabsroman]

Wolvie,

Good like with the bus position and I hope you get it.

As far as the government guys are concerned, it is really hard to blame them. Try being in their shoes and making everybody happy.

Just to give you an example of what I am talking about, I used to give referees a tough time and thought a lot of them were terrible. That was until I had to referee a intermural basketball game in college as a condition of being in the league. I had guys giving me hell for calling fouls and others giving me crap for not calling a foul. Everybody thought they were playing fair and that everybody else was breaking the rules. That was a tough situation and I no longer give refs a tough time.

As far as the house is concerned, here is some advice I give to my clients with rental property. Do a credit check on the prospective renters and find out how long they have been employed by their current employer. Get an attorney to draft a lease. Lastly, and probably most importantly, video tape a walk through with them right before you give them the keys to the place. Later on, if anything is damaged, you can sue them for the damage. If they have a good job, you can garnish their wages. This prevents a lot of headache later on.

[fabsroman]

Here is what I am talking about in the Middle East. Russia and China are very wary about the US military presence in the Middle East. Time for a new resource for energy.

WASHINGTON - The Central Asian nation of Uzbekistan has ended its agreement allowing U.S. military aircraft and personnel to use an air base that has been an important hub for American military operations in Afghanistan, administration officials said Saturday.

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No reason Uzbekistan was evicting U.S. forces from Karshi-Khanabad air base, commonly referred to as K2, was offered by either the State Department or the Defense Department. The Washington Post, which first reported the eviction notice, said no reason was given by Uzbekistan and that U.S. forces would have six months to leave.

The New York Times reported Saturday on its Web site that a State Department official cited the abrupt action as a response to a secret United Nations operation to take hundreds of Uzbek refugees from the region. The official said most of the 450 refugees who had fled to Kyrgyzstan after an Uzbek uprising in May had been airlifted to Romania and other countries on Friday despite the Uzbek government's desire that they be returned.

The U.S. Embassy in the Uzbek capital of Tashkent received the diplomatic note terminating the agreement late last week, State Department spokeswoman Nancy Beck said. A Pentagon spokesman, Glenn Flood, said the notice was received Friday.

"This is a bilateral agreement between two sovereign nations, and under that agreement either side has the option to terminate that agreement," Beck said. The State Department had no further comment, she said.

The Uzbek government in recent months had tightened restriction on use of the base, including banning night flights.

"We have to step back and look at our options now and see where we go from here," Flood said. "That airfield has been very important for our operations in Afghanistan" — humanitarian as well as military.

K2 has been a critical staging point for U.S. military operations in Afghanistan since the earliest days of the war, which began in October 2001.

More recently, the base has been used to move supplies, including humanitarian aid, into northern Afghanistan. It also is a refueling point for transport planes.

The eviction notice came just days after Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld returned from a Central Asia visit to two Uzbek neighboring states, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Officials in Kyrgyzstan affirmed to Rumsfeld that U.S. forces can continue to use Manas air base for as long as the Afghan war requires.

U.S. forces do not use any bases in Tajikistan, which shares a long border with northern Afghanistan. The Pentagon has an arrangement that permits U.S. planes to refuel there under certain circumstances.

During his trip, Rumsfeld said he did not believe U.S. operations in Afghanistan would be hurt if the Uzbek government denied continued use of K2 because there are other air base options in the region.

"We're always thinking ahead. We'll be fine," Rumsfeld said on Monday.

In early July, a regional organization led by Russia and China issued a statement calling for the U.S. to set a timetable for withdrawing its forces from Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.

Uzbekistan's ties with Washington have deteriorated after the Bush administration joined other Western nations in urging an international investigation into the suppression of a May uprising in the eastern Uzbek city of Andijan.

Uzbek government troops fired on protesters in the city after militants seized a prison and a government building. Authorities denied that troops fired on unarmed civilians and said that 187 people died in the unrest; human rights groups put the figure as high as 750.

Uzbekistan's president, Islam Karimov, who has ruled for 16 years and tolerates no dissent, has blamed the violence on Islamic militants.

He has rejected the demands for an outside inquiry, and, facing Western criticism, has found a strong support in Russia and China. Both of them are wary about the U.S. military presence in the strategic and resource-rich region.

[Wolvie]

****GAS PRICES : NY Upstate,....wk of 7/31-8/6 2005 at this time (7.31.05) prices are $2.37 - $2.47 for reg Unlead and $2.87 - $3.02 for Super unleaded.

As for Fabs articial,....I agree that the U.S. needs to find another way to get around so to speak,...or just open our reserves,...and our refinnerys our pipe lines and what ever else needs to be done.
But let`s stop this BS war ,which is nothing more then a witch hunt anymore,...and let`s get down to puttin Americans back to work,..and allowing them to enjoy their freedom,...and lives!

Give Us Back Our Lives Mr. Bush !!!!!!!
And stop taking the lives of our ,Brothers,Fathers,Sons,Mothers,Sisters,and Daughters,....Bring em home ,.........NOW!!!!!!!!!!


Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Andy L]

Calm down Wolvie.

President Bush hasnt drove up your fuel prices or taken your job or made your girlfriend blow off a credit card several years ago that got you in a jam now.

Im gonna be kinda blunt here, but dont take it personally Wolvie. I agree with you that NY sucks. I have never lived there, but from what Ive seen of it, it sucks, no doubt. Cant be too good, its full of democrats and they elected another Clinton. But is Ohio the Mecca or what? Seems like you got it in your head that if you go to Ohio, somehow things are magically going to turn around and your life will be all better.

Sorry, but Im afraid you dreaming. Ohio is a fine place, dont get me wrong, but if you struggle one place, chances are, your gonna struggle other places as well. Same with the other way around.

Dont take it personal Wolvie. I think your a bascially good fella thats workin himself into a tizzy over nothin. Slow down and take a deep breath.

At least if you were in Ohio, you wouldnt be in NY. Thats a plus no matter how you look at it.

Andy

[fabsroman]

From what I have been reading, the economy isn't doing too bad.

Greenspan believes the economy is strong and that has been the reason for his interest rate hikes over the past year. He needs to keep inflation down. Home sales hit a record high last month; that was not on NEW home sales, but all home sales.

If people are out there buying homes in record numbers, the economy cannot be all too bad.

As far as what Bush is doing with the war, it is kind of like a witch hunt because we do not know who the enemy actually is. The enemy is not an entire nation, as it was in World War II with the Germans, Japanese, and Italians. This war is more like the Vietnam war where you don't know if the muslim next to you is friend or foe.

When I flew back from Vegas, I had three muslim looking guys in the row next to mine. I can assure you that it wasn't easy to sleep, especially when one tried to get up when the seatbelt sign was on. However, we made it home safely and there were no other incidents with them. Were they friend or foe? Who knows?

That is the problem with this war. It is a war to create a better life for these people in the Middle East so that they can stop hating America. Granted, we did the same thing for Japan after World War II and then they started clobbering us in the trade department.

Life isn't cut and dry Wolvie, that is for sure. I am sure Bush is dealing with our economy as well as the war. If you don't already know this, he instituted a bunch of tax cuts over the past two years, and they were mostly a result of him and his administration, not anybody else. Those tax cuts have helped a bunch of my clients; however, a person has to make money before he can take advantage of the tax cuts. There is also something called the Earned Income Credit, but you probably make just a little too much money. Talk to your accountant about all the tax matters that might apply to you and see what can help you.

[Wolvie]

I dont know what you guys(Fabs & Andy L), are talkin about,....But I am chilled ,..and calm, or was,....

As for Ohio , I lived there for 38 yrs,...and it was all good except for an exwife that was and still is (but not as much now), a pain in the Azz,...As for Earned income credit ,..who gives 2 SH*$ about it,...I have 5 kids and can only claim 1 on taxes and i dont get it anyways,...she does.

And Bush and the rest of the goverment should do something,we sure as hell didnt make this life,...we are here and we are stuck with whatever our RULERS want and want to do!

So I will ask that anyone who thought I was UN-Calm,...and Un-Chilled You were wrong,..I was being or trying to be uplifting or a patriot to my country and fellow Americans.

life Sucks all over , I know that,...i am 42 yrs old I know more of this world then I am being giving credit for.
Trust me,...
And as for my girlfriends credit history ,...I was appreciative of advise and so on.But dont allow this to be a forum of dropping hints of BS ,...I am not that type of guy to set back and read of someone judging me or my family or friends.
judge yourself,...Again I do appreciate the advise and the rallying,..but PLEASE dont sit there and think I am some interent idiot,...or someone looking for smpyathy,...thats not what i am all about.
I voice my concerns and experiences,...like everyone else,...if I am not allowed to do that then I guess there are other forums and other places to do so.
Just let me know!
And remember this I was calm and chilled,...but dont rattle my cage if you dont like my GRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

LOLOL!!! I must say ,..that was very liberating,....I am only acting here,...Do you think I am worthy of an Oscar?!

"Don`t Always try to read what your reading,...cause it`s only words until you hear them". (QUOATED BY: Wolvie)


Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Hawkeye6]

Wolvie:

You should cut the whining. Bush didn't make your life, you did. Your "rulers" don't make your life, you do. Fabs, Jabba and Andy have all given you good advice, take it and make the most of it.

You're all over the place on this. One post you're clammoring for a war, then later you're whining about US casualties in the war that we do have going.

News flash! Bush does not make the economy worse or better. He does not create jobs. Productive businesses and productive employees do that.

The economy is doing fine. Home building and the housing market arre going great guns. Unemployment is very low right now. Interest rates are favorable. Life really is not all that bad.

But then, life is what you make of it.

Hawkeye

[Wolvie]

Prices here in Upstate NY for this week, are rounding out about $2.33 for the cheap stuff and about $2.84 for the high end stuff.


Sorry if everyone thinks I am a little crazy here so I will stick to the update part,...

But I do appreciate the constructive critizim,...and advice.

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Wolvie]

UpState NY gas prices are at $2.51 a gal for the low grade stuff,....and about $2.90 and I seen one place at $3.01 a gal for the high stuff.
Deisal fuel prices are gettin as bad as well,...$2.69 a gal at the local truck stop off I-87, Exit 17N.

And that`s the updates for this area,

What is your prices for gas going for in your area?

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Jabba]

$2.49 for 87 octane

[Hawkeye6]

$2.49 yesterday, 2.39 today.

[Rocky Raab]

I'm headed for Reno tomorrow, and on the western side of Nevada, it's 2.99 for regular. OUCH!

It's 2.24 here in Ogden, Utah and last week I bought some at 2.06 in Wyoming.

[fabsroman]

I'll be happy if it ever gets below $2.00 again. I remember when I was in undergrad and it was 87 cents. Once it got above $1, I was hoping to see it at 99 cents again.

Right now, it is $2.23 here.

[Andy L]

One semester of college, there was a gas war. Gas was 50 cents for about the whole semester. That was great.

I thougth a few years back that if it would stay around 1.25 I would be happy. I guess I would now for sure. :rolleyes:

Who the hell knows where this is going.

What happened to all the oil fields out west in the 70s? If I remember right, they helped us out of another (false) bad situation. And created alot of jobs. I know alot of guys around here went west to work the oil fields and made alot of money. And, there is always Alaska. Lots of oil and could be more jobs like the old pipeline days. And, isnt there a runnin ton of oil off the NE coast of the US that is supposed to rival the middle east?

Whats goin on here? Are we completly at the mercy of the rest of the world now?

I still say we need to toughen up a bit. To the victor goes the spoils. We have pretty much saved the Iraqi people and the Kuwatis. No matter what the media says. Ive yet to have a person I know that went over there and fought that didnt think we were accomplishing what we needed to in a great fashion. Totally opposite the media. Good news wont sell or get Hitlary elected. But, with those two oweing us favors, shouldnt we have cheap oil? By favor or force.

I know of our oil right under our soil, if I knew what to do, I would love to mow around an oil well......

Andy

[Hawkeye6]

Rocky:

Notice the children are talking again? Remebering gas at less than a dollar a gallon? Hell's bells, I remember gas at three gallons to the dollar!

Hawkeye

[fabsroman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

and my dad remembers it at 10 gallons a dollars (i.e. 10 cents a gallon).

Hawkeye6,

That post of yours had me laughing pretty good. I would give a lot to be the age I was when gas was less than a dollar.

[Wolvie]

Upstate Ny REPORT :
It looks like the trend for rising gas prices are still in affect for this part of the world or U.S.

$2.61 a gal. for low grade stuff,...and over $3.05 a gal. for the Super stuff.

I myself would like to see a drop in prices on gas , but i dont think that is likely to happen,..and if so not anytime soon.


Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Hawkeye6]

Originally posted by fabsroman
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

and my dad remembers it at 10 gallons a dollars (i.e. 10 cents a gallon).



Hey! I ain't so old that I cain't still do math!

Yesterday morning, $2.40.

This morning $2.59

This noon/early pm $2.55

Pretty typical of the way things go around here.

[Hawkeye6]

Gas prices are going up. Still reasonable comapred to 10 or 20 years ago and general inflation. But what are you doing about it?

One of the reasons that gas prices can continue to creep higher and higher, or even jump is that, so far at least, the demand is very inelastic. That's an economics term and basically means that the demad for gasoline does not appear to be affected by its price. The price goes up, and yet people still consume jsut as much as they did at the lower price. In fact, the demand may actually be increasing as the price increases.

So, what are you going to do to become more energy efficient? Anything?

Here's what I've done. This was not a knee jerk reaction to the recient price trend but something that I've been giving some thought to for several months. I went out yesterday and traded my Suburban in on a Subaru Outback (a used one but newer tahn the Suburban with about half the miles on it) My average mieage should go from ~15 or 16 mpg to ~26-30 mpg. (I'll report back on the actual in the future.) Did not really cost me much to do so and I ahve a much newer vehicle to boot.

I realize that that's not an option for everyone, but it worked for me. I had the Suburban for about 5-6 years and my live-at-home family has gone from 6 to 4. We also traded my wife's Toyota 4-Runner in on a Toyota van this spring. (Another increase in mileage). with the van we certainly do not need the Suburban, although I will occasionally miss the capacity, I'm sure.

What else? Well, my wife and I both want to get more exercise, so shen she gets home from vacation, I'm going to suggest that we try riding our bikes to the grocery for at least one trip a week (on the weekend). Its only about 6 miles RT soe it should be doable, weather permitting. Also, that she send me the shopping list for the local Aldi (discount grocery) since its accross the street from where I work. I can go there after work once a week or so and save her/us a ~15 mile RT.

None of this is going to make a major diference, but incremental changes on a mico basis could have a macro effect if we all tried something.

Its all about being open to changes and trying to find a postiive response.

[fabsroman]

I read an article that said if all Americans traded the vehicles for vehicles that get 5 mpg better gas mileage, we would have almost no reliance on oil from the middle east.

The wife and I are planning our next car/suv to be a hybrid, but that won't happen for a while. She drives a Hyundai Sonata and I drive a Ford Taurus and both of them get about 27 mpg highway, which almost all the driving we do.

[Hawkeye6]

Fabs:

I've read some of the same stuff, too. I would never advocate making wholesale changes that don't fit with your lifestyle, but when and where its appropriate... My younger son has been looking at getting a hybrid after he graduates next year. From what I've seen of them they are fine for one or two people, but I'm not sure whether they would work well for more than that.

H.

[fabsroman]

Hawkeye,

When you say the hybrids are fine for one or two people, do you mean for hauling one or two people?

The wife and I have been looking at the Ford Escape Hybrid because we would be able to take future children and other cargo down to Florida with us to visit her parents. Is the problem with the hybrids the fact that they lack horsepower? I have heard that hybrids have plenty of torgue from the electric motor helping them accelerate out of the hole. I am a leery about this stuff because it is new technology and I don't want to get stuck with something that will be a disaster 5 years down the road. That is why we are going to wait a while to see what develops and to see if Ford offers the Explorer or Expedition in a hybrid later.

[Hawkeye6]

When you say the hybrids are fine for one or two people, do you mean for hauling one or two people?

Fabs:

Yes, that's pretty much what I meant. I have not done any extensive research on them, just some superficail reading. but they did not seem to really meet the kind of needs that I reasonably anticipate with a family of 4, tow of whom are on the verge of their teen years. I'm not even sure the OUtback's rear seat will give them comfortable leg room for a longer drive.

I also kind of question the economics of hybrids. My understanding is that they are currently commanding a premium over similar sized and equipped gasoline-only vehicles. And that the premium is too large to be readily offset by a reduction in fuel costs, even at the higher prices that we are seeing now. (And will only get worse if the predictions that gasoline will drop back into the near $2 range in 12 to 18 months come true.)

I hav eheard that there are moves afoot for some tax credits from various States and also that the HOV lanes may be opened to hybrids even if the driver is solo. If that ocmes to pass, there may be some non-economic incentives in certain areas of the country. Like out where you live. But out here in the rural heartland we don't have HOV lanes.

H.

[fabsroman]

I too have read articles stating that it is very hard to recoup the premium price on a hybrid unless you drive it a lot and keep it for a long time. I think the car had to be kept for over 7 years with the national average of miles driven on it before you would recoup the additional money spent on it.

Of course, here we are thinking about what is good for us instead of what is good for the country and for our children. Less oil consumption means less reliance on the middle east and a cleaner environment for our kids and grandkids.

Regarding HOV lanes out here, they are pretty much all around me. I have one on I-270, another on the Dulles toll road, another on I-66 going into and out of downtown DC, and there are plenty more. There is mention of making the HOV lane a toll lane and/or allowing hybrids to drive on them solo. If that is the case, the wife and I will both be buying a hybrid.

[myEspringr]

i think the main reason for not tappin' into our oil in the u.s. is so when everyone else runs out the u.s. can make the companies go for broke . The main problem i see w/ this is by the time the middle east runs out all the cars on the road will prob. electric so it would all be for nothin'. In other words another backfired plan in the future for this country. Just my two cents.

[myEspringr]

There is a rumor here in nebraska that a couple of transit buses are runnin' on used veg. oil. Now if it is true how long before this tries to be a new trend.

[Hawkeye6]

Originally posted by myEspringr
There is a rumor here in nebraska that a couple of transit buses are runnin' on used veg. oil. Now if it is true how long before this tries to be a new trend.

I don't know what's goin gon in Nebraska, but there's nothing new or surprising aobu that. Diesels have ben known to run on some oddities like that for a while. Hmm, could that make all of a city's busses moving adds for Mcdonalds and Burger King?

I read an article in Backwoods Home a year or so ago aobut a fiamily that had pretty well converted to providing their own fuel for the farm vehicles (all diesels, including pick-up trucks driven for family use) by some of the plants they cultivated. I've forgotten the bean they raised, but htey had a pres system set up to squeeze the oil out of it and captured it for use in their vehicles. I think they used the left of pressed cake for an animal feed.

[Hawkeye6]

Fabs:

Of course, here we are thinking about what is good for us instead of what is good for the country and for our children. Less oil consumption means less reliance on the middle east and a cleaner environment for our kids and grandkids.

Yep. but if you notice, my post is predicated on you doing what makes sense for you, your family and your lifestyle.

Things don't seem to be that desparate yet that eveyone needs to convert to hybrids. Those that want to and can afford the vehicle can do so. If they decide that's the right thing for them to do, that's their choice. Ah, the beauty of a free market economy. You are free to choose a hybrid or an Escalade!

H.

[Drew_CarreyAB]

Just my 0.02 from Canada's only border city. Whomever can do the conversion for me.........98.9cents/liter for 87octane. So even up here in the boonies gas sux(especially when my Bronco has a 125Liter tank :( )

[Hawkeye6]

Drew:

Just multiply it by 4. That will be close enough. Of course, that would be in Canadian Dollars.

Here in the States, I think prices (especiallyfor gas) are generally higher in the "boonies" than in certain other areas. Has to do with transportation and lack of ocmpetition I'dd guess.

H.

[fabsroman]

Hawkeye,

You should see how much gas is in Bethesda, Maryland. It is $3.00 a gallon for regular because it is the high rent district. By my parents it is $2.61 for regular and by me it is $2.41 for regular. I guess I am the lucky one. Diesel by my is $2.55 probably because the station is right next to I-270. However, at my parents diesel is $2.45.

What I do not understand is how there is no competition between Middle East oil companies or the gas stations in the US. Or is it just that oil costs that much.

I kind of understand the inelastic demand curve, but isn't competition supposed to have a little impact on it. Also, even if demand is inelastic, there is always supply side.

[Wolvie]

UPSATE NY UPDATE: $ 2.73 a gal for 87 Octane

The upward trend is still in an upward motion.

As for hybrid,The fight for gas and oil now in the middle east ,..will probly go to fighting with Japan because of electronic parts and etc.

America needs to have their own techno stuff going on,...so that way we dont have to depand on other countries.

That`s just me talkin`

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[myEspringr]

Word here is 3.00 by the end of the weekend. I don't know if i believe it. 2.49 right now that would be a pretty big leap.

[Hawkeye6]

Originally posted by fabsroman

I kind of understand the inelastic demand curve, but isn't competition supposed to have a little impact on it. Also, even if demand is inelastic, there is always supply side.

I am not an economist and I did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I think the point is that where demand is inelastic, there is little incentive to engage in price competition. If you can sell all of a product that it is possible for you to sell at a given price, what is the incentive for you to lower your price?

Once gas prices reach the point that people change their behavior, them we will see some marginal price competiton.

Part of the reason for the higer gas prices is also refinery capacity. As I understand it our refinerys are pretty well oeprating their maximum capacity. Add to that the fact that we have not built any new refineries in some period of time. And BP just had one go offline recently down in Texas (it blew up). I think what you are seeing is a more restircted supply than usual.

It will be interesting to see what happnes over the next three weeks. Prices will probably continue to go up through Labor Day. Then we may see prices level off or decrease.

[Hawkeye6]

Originally posted by Wolvie
UPSATE NY UPDATE: $ 2.73 a gal for 87 Octane

The upward trend is still in an upward motion.

As for hybrid,The fight for gas and oil now in the middle east ,..will probly go to fighting with Japan because of electronic parts and etc.

America needs to have their own techno stuff going on,...so that way we dont have to depand on other countries.

That`s just me talkin`

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

Wolvie:

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say. Other than what you say the current gas prices are.

Later.

[fabsroman]

Hawkeye,

That post about the inelastic demand curve makes sense. Now I understand why there is no competition on gas prices and I didn't stay at any hotel last night either.

[Hawkeye6]

Fabs:

I saw a litttle example of how there is some price competiton last night.

Yesterday our gas prices moved up from around 2.54 or 2.58 to 2.69. But not every station made the move to 2.69. When I was driving around yesterday evening, the the stations with the lowest price were pretty busy. the ones that ahd moved part way had a few cars, bu the ones at 2.69 were very quiet.

I predict that by this morning everyone will be at the same price around here.

One reason that price competition isn't that big a deal right now is that even with my Suburban, the ten-cent spread that I sometimes see when the prices jump did not have much impact. Even if the tank was pretty much empty, the difference was only $4, but since I usually tried to keep it realtively full, the impact was usually much less. And the price competitiion is too shortlived to have much effect. Usually only a few hours or a day at the most.

Hawkeye

[Wolvie]

I was tryin to say that with the hybrid cars ,Japan is the leader in the computer and electronic fields and as the middle east basically has the the market on oil,..and we are depending on the middle east for oil,..and now with the hybrid cars coming out ,what will be next? Depending on Japan (another foreign country),for our lifestyle.

Thats why i was sayin we need to have our own and stop depending on other countries.
And I am not ranting or gettin upset or whinning,..just making an observation.

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~;)

[Wolvie]

Saw over the weekend an article that said something about $3.00 a gal ,...Nationwide.

Not sure what is was al about,...but I plan to research it today and see what I can come up with.

A guy was walking down the street and I saw the front page of his paper,..it looked to be The NY Post. but not sure yet.

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[M.T. Pockets]

I don't like the prices any more than anybody else, I hear people say that "somebody has to do something" about the high prices. I remember the oil embargo days of the 70's and somebody did try to do something and it went over like passing gas in church. I'm 40 and I can remember this from my youth.

- Lower the speed limit to 55 on all highways (including interstate highways), and enforcing it.

- Lower the thermastats to 65 degrees.

- Extend daylight savings time all winter long.

- Turn off lights inside public buildings except for emergency lighting. (I remember dark hallways in school)

- No Christmas lights.

- The President talking on TV and personally telling America to stay home if you don't have a good reason to drive somewhere.

- Cutting school sports because there's no money to pay for bus fuel.

-Tax credits promoting alternate energy, such as solar power.

-People building smaller houses so they'd cost less to heat.

-People shopping for cars based on fuel efficiency, then bragging about getting 30 or more mpg.

-Kids riding the bus to school instead of driving.

I could go on....but it's going to hurt some more before it gets any better.

[rubicon]

I remember sitting in line at the gas station in the 70"s waiting my turn and hoping the station didnt run out before I got my 10 gallons which was all I could get at a time so that I could get to work. I also remember people asking why not a bushel of wheat for a barrell of oil ?

[fabsroman]

I was a lot younger back then, but I do remember my dad buying a 1976 fiat piece of crapola that got 30+ mpg and I remember him having 10 gallon metal cans of gas filled up in the tool shed. He would take the behemoth Pontiac to the station on the days he was allowed, fill it up, siphon it out into those 10 gallons tanks, and then use it in the Fiat when he had to.

I definitely do not want to go through that because my truck is diesel which would put me at a disadvantage (i.e., cannot fill up the 40 gallon tank and use it in my cars), unless I bought a diesel car.

[Wolvie]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Well it has happened,..$3.00 a gal in NY

And it is rumored that it will be a nationwide price set at $3.00 a gal for the 87 octane.

This is what I heard,not what i know for sure , except for the $3.00 a gal somewhere here in NY.

It was on CNN and I guess there`s going to be a report on ABC nightly news tonight 8.17.05 Weds.


Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[myEspringr]

Not surprised ... Question is how high will it go? It's kinda funny how gas prices are goin' up next thing you know natural gas is gonna sky rocket as much as 35%. It's amazing how quickly things happen in a years time. Natural gas went up 15% last year. I would not surprised if we see 3.75 or 4.00 by january. One thing is for sure i won't be hunting as much this year. It's 98 miles to the least crowded places to hunt. I have to go to iowa just hunt private land.

[Wolvie]

I don`t understand the Natural gas hike thing,...isn`t Natural gas in like our back yards so to speak?

To me it`s all a croc,....and the workin man ain`t never gonna catch a break,..ever !!

I got a new job,...I followed what some posted on here about traveling to find better jobs,...well I found a driving job for $11.00 an hour.I have to commute for about 40 miles (oneway),and then drive all day and then commute back home at the end of the day.

I have budgeted it out to be $150.00 a week alone in just gas.That leaves me around $135.00 a wk to live on,...unless I can get some O.T.

So I guess hunting this year or any year after is over for me,...`cause I can`t afford to go.
Maybe I can hit one with the company truck?!

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Jabba]

Man Wolvie... at $3.00 gallon even, you'd have to be getting 8 miles to the gallon for it to cost you $150/wk.

What are you driving?

Jabba

[fabsroman]

Jabba,

I think you missed that he has to drive all day.

Wolvie,

What kind of work are you doing now? I remember you talking about trying to get a job as a bus driver. If that is the case, Jabba's calculation is right because you wouldn't be paying for the gas during the day.

[toxic111]

Speaking of gas prices.. ours hit $1.039/litre today.. that works out to approx $3.93/usgal with out the exchange rate. OUCH!

I need a truck that gets the gas milage of a sprint!!

That escape hybrid looks even more promising now!

[rubicon]

Fill my work truck almost every evening- 87 octane at $2.77 gal-fillup cost $78.00 and will last one day. But the company I work for pays for it and has 50 trucks. Most of them dont use as much fuel as mine but that is still a good chunk of change for Exxon each month.

[Wolvie]

90 Ford F-150 with a 3.3 eng. 6cyl.

And here`s something else,...I know that I can go up to 281 miles on a full tank of gas.

So here`s my calculations;

40 miles to work + 40 miles home = 80

80 miles x 5 days = 400 miles a wk.

$3.00 a gal. for gas x 18 gal. tank= $54.00 a tank (Fill-up)

And when I drove to Malta from my place I had $10.00 on me and I put it in the tank,..that gave me 1/4 (slightly over), of a tank of gas.
When I got to Malta (exit 10) from (exit 17), I was below 1/8 of a tank.No way i was making it home on that.

I only use my truck to get to work,..it`s just that I drive from Glens Falls area to Malta NY. which is about 40 miles.There`s also construction on I-87 that you are slowed down and even stopped for a brief time.Idle times comsume fuel as well,...maybe not much ,..but all the same a Running Engine is a consuming one.lolol! :D

And by the way I didnt get the bus driving job,..I ended up at another place driving for a window manufactuer.
PVC Industries.
I start Monday morning @ 5am to whatever time.lol!

My GF said that a place called for me to come in today @ 11am for an interview.
2 friends of mine work there,..and they start out a $12 to 13 an hr. union job,its about 7 miles from me,...So I am checking that out today.
I am all about the MONEY
:D

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Wolvie]

I am just happy to have my fat arse back to work,....:D :D :D :cool: :cool: :cool:

And as for my calcuations,...they could be off,because I cant remember what size my gas tank is,...I thought it was a 18 `er,...maybe it is less.

I`ll have to go see when I do the oil change and tune up on it here in the next couple hours.

I`ll let ya know what I find.
Also by the way everyone check out the "swap shop " forum,...I have a deal there I am ryin to make,if anyone is interested.

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Jabba]

Good luck on the interview.

The way to check your gas mileage is to fill it up. reset the trip odometer. Drive it till you need gas. Then fill it up again. Devide the miles shown on the trip odometer by the Gallons that you put in.

Ouila! MPG.

Jabba

[fabsroman]

Yep, that is the simple calculation Jabba and I use it all the time to make sure that the cars are getting good gas mileage.

I reset the trip odometer at every fill up and if it ever falls below a certain mile amount I start to worry and try to find out what is wrong.

With the F-350, life is easy because it has a computer that automatically gives me the continuous mpg as I drive.

[Wolvie]

Sorry guys but I am a "simple" person,..lolol !
I dont have one of those trip resetters.
I haveto do it the old fashion way.

Write down my beginning mileage and then write my ending mileage when I need gas and then go from there.

As for the interview,it seemed to go ok but he said he would like to Deliberate on it and get back to me,..until then I am employed,..I`ll just have to drive a few miles to get there,...for now.


Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Wolvie]

DECLINING Gas prices,...are here at this time in the Upstate NY area.

At the present time in the Hudson Falls and Fort Edward area 87 Octane is at a low price of $2.65 a gal.

Hopefully the downward trend will continue as the weeks go on and that there wont be anymore weather related tragities in any of our near futures.

I guess a man can hope huh?! lolol!

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Wolvie]

looks like a man can Hope,.but it aint goin to do any good.

Katrina is about to hit the New Orleans area,..and it looks like gas prices will probly soar upwards again.

So basically it looks like we all need to prepare ourselves for yet another hit to our wallets,and or pocket books.

Maybe late fall will bring us some relief, but it is very doubtful at this point.

Okay gotta go fill up,...

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Wolvie]

Gas prices are on the rise ,BIG TIME!

A barrel of gas is going for $70.80.Just got the update on my profile.
Meaning that a gal. of gas could be well over $3.00 a gal very soon.As soon as Monday evening or even afternoon.

I watched a movie on Discovery about a month ago or so,...it looks like it was telling our future to the "T",..so far anyways,..it hasnt missed a beat.

I really need to consider gettin a horse and wagon.

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~:confused:

[Wolvie]

Here`s a site you all should check out,..
it could releave some stress,...and make fun of our current situation,,....check it out,...

http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/



Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[Hawkeye6]

This was a pretty hot topic a few short months ago. People everywhere were preaching a lot of doom and gloom on gas prices. $3, $4, $5 per gallon were all being predicted.

What are you paying for gas these days?

I paid $1.75 in Indianapolis on Sunday, and locally its $1.99 as of today.

[fabsroman]

I just paid $2.11, but my wife can find it in Gainesville, VA for less than $2 and I saw it in Frederick, MD at $1.99 over the weekend.

The decrease in gas prices has consumer confidence up. As a result, retailers are hoping for a pretty good Christmas season.

[BILLY D.]

fabs, a young stud like you should know better, there is no "christmas" season anymore thanks to the aclu. it's now called the "holiday" season. shame, shame. even us folks who live on the prairie know that.

good lord knows how many people you injured or offended by refering to that. more shame.

i guess thanksgiving will be next, it offends the other side in our celebration and festive holiday. boo hoo hoo. i wonder if all the tribes will in time set a day of fast for thanksgiving day? sounds like a good idea to me.

probably should get rid of the fourth of july also. it must be terribly offensive to the british that we ran them out of the u.s and set up a government under judeo christian principles. i can't begin to imagine the mental stress they go through every fourth of july. more boo hoo hoo.

BY THE WAY, JUST IN CASE I'M INCAPACITATED OR MY COMPUTER CRASHES, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS AND LET US NOT FORGET THE TRUE MEANING OF CELEBRATING JESUS'S BIRTHDAY. PEACE ON EARTH AND GOODWILL TO MAN IS STILL IN VOGUE. OR SHOULD BE.

GOD BLESS.

[fabsroman]

Billy,

What is sad is that at first I typed holiday season out of habit and then said screw it, went back, and put Christmas in there. Not because I don't believe in the holiday season greeting (i.e., all my holiday cards say Happy Holidays on them for my office), but because Christmas was more appropriate (i.e., I believe it has more to do with the commercialization of the season than anything else. You rarely find minoras on sale in late October/early November).

What kills me about the Christmas season is the sheer amount of commercialization that goes with it. I wonder if it was like this 100 years ago. Yesterday, I had a mailbox full of catalogs. One was a Cabelas last minute Christmas catalog, like the Cabelas Christmas catalog I received a week ago wasn't enough.

Quite honestly, I despise Christmas because of the money aspect of it. I try to boycott the money aspect of it, but I don't think I am having much effect on it. Kind of like my boycott of professional sports. Was I ever surprised to find out that the leagues can continue on without my support.

At the end of the day, it still is a holiday season and I don't mean to offend anybody. I just think that Christmas is the season that has the most to do with the gift giving and REQUIRED money spending.

Everybody please have a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy New Year, and Happy Holiday season, but above all else, stay safe.

[BILLY D.]

fabs

i was not admonishing you, i was just being acidic about the way 'christmas" is being stomped on and out, and like you say "commercialized". like if you don't spend a gazzilion dollars on the day after thanksgiving you are some kind of social misfit.

to me christmas is about the religious theme more than the buying. although the gift giving is a "good thing", it's not the most important thing. at least to me anyway. but i'm a strange duck.

i spent many christmas days far away from home and family and the thing i missed the most was not the lavishness but the time to be with with loved ones and celebrate by going to church and a special christmas meal. that was christmas. one thing i learned in my 68 christmases was k.i.s.s., it ain't about us it's about the birth of jesus. thats what my parents taught me.

[Wolvie]

Gas prices here in the buckeye range around or from $1.89 to about $2.04 a gal.

Alot better then NY where I was living.

Well thought I would chime in ,gotta go see whats going on in other forums and postings,.......

Later All
SAFE HUNTIN~

[fabsroman]

Wolvie,

Glad to see you back on the board.