build me a 500yd ruger light rifle, 10lbs

[Evan03]

guys build me light 6mm rem off ruger m77 action.

barreld action in the stock cant go over 9lbs. id like it to be a 500 yd rifle.

put together a list of stuff youd through at it. stock barrel, scope and such, id like to be under 10 when its finished but could probly live with 10.

do you think the 6mm is good 500yds rifle.cal?????


im thinking, pacnor 26" heavy contour fluted barrel in stainless, hs sporter stock, possibly vt stock.
4.5-14x40 vxIII milldot

im thinking a target weight 1.20" -.850" in 26"s maybe bigger at .930 at muzzle. this should crowd my weight standerds about perfect with flutes and be plenty stiff
http://www.pac-nor.com/contours/
theres theyre specs

let me know what you think.



thanks
Evan

ps

though the 6mmrem is what im thinking about most the 6mm284 has a conciderable amount of my attention

or the 6mm250 (6mm international) that would be easy to build, actualy these are all easy.
i wonder how hard it would be to kneck 22/250 cases up 6mm, ive got a big stock pile of em.

[Boyd Heaton]

do you think the 6mm is good 500yds rifle.cal????? What would you be using it for???

[Evan03]

what do you use a 2506 for ???????

boyd boyd boyd boyd.

nothing bigger than deer. and more than likly not at 500yds. om not thinking myself capable enough to plan on shooting deer at 500yds. at least not just yet

rock chucks, coyotes badgers, rabbits ground squriels and othe things that are comonly running around at long range.

boyd im now leaning towards the 243 improved, itl just be easier for me build and work with, at least i think so.

[Boyd Heaton]

boyd im now leaning towards the 243 improved, itl just be easier for me build and work with, at least i think so. IMHO I would not IMP a 243 for work to 500 yards.The Std 243 would work very well

[Evan03]

recomend a 6mm caliber is the 243 what youd recomend. i know its smallis compared to some long range 6mms


today i picked up 6-18vx with a standerd fine duplex. for the rifle. currently i cant the 22/250 to shoot a group smaller than 2"s but im pushn facotry ammo.

picked up some h380 to run through it with bullets seated at the max lenght even if they dont fit in the mag box.

if i cant get it to shoot the scope leaves to premier reticle, and the rifle is going to pacnor.

but i do need to know for sure what caliber i want it to be, i cant tell them well i cant decide on the 243 6mm250 or 6mmrem

[Boyd Heaton]

picked up some h380 to run through it with bullets seated at the max lenght even if they dont fit in the mag box. Wrong powder....Try H4350 with some 105 Hornady A-Max's;)

[Boyd Heaton]

Out to 500 yards the 243....Out to 1000 yards would be a 6-284

[Evan03]

ive got some imr 4350. will this work

the h380 s for loading up the 22/250. and swift

[Boyd Heaton]

IMR should work

[Evan03]

kinda been on the back burner with this latley. and may be doing things difrently.

shooting my 2506 latly has showed me i dont need 6mm its just want that dang 2506 is a shooter.

i got to thinkn about cases. i got to thinkn about the 22/250 pushn all that powder through smallish kneck, then it kinda clicked what if i just kneck the 22/250 case straight out or as straight out as is available.
wouldnt that inturn make the case more efficient pushing the same weight 6mm bullet. powder isnt funneld down near as much in the kneck

dont mind me, im just drinkn coffee and buzzn here. gotas get something going with this rifle soon. last time i shot it the tighter groups were 4"s

[RUMLUVER]

Evan03

If it were me I would do a 6mmAI for the simple reason that in my mind it is the most bang for your buck. You get a longer, narrower case that is more efficient. Plus you could squeeze a bit more from it. Now going of what you stated for it uses use a 26"brl with a 1in10 twist and for hunting deer I would use either the Barnes or the Swift Scirooco bullets at 90grs. With these bullets you are prepared for everthing from 100 to 5 or 600yrds. They have a high BC for there wieght and will reach out and touch and em also they are a well constructed bullet that will stay together at closer rangers even at high velocity. I also have used the Barnes Varminator bullets withn great success out of my 22-250 they just are flat ass bad on praire dogs! Just a thought

[Lone Star]

...You get a longer, narrower case that is more efficient..... Hmmm, and all this time I thought that the short, fat cases were the most efficient and accurate.....;)

[RUMLUVER]

Lone Star

Glad to see that thier is still humor in the field. I learned about the 6mm advantage as a young man from my father who isn't a big .243 fan. Short and fat doesn't always equal efficient now does it.

[Bounty Hunter]

see evan

gotta go with you on this one. 6mm is an excellant choice. i've used this caliber for over 30 years in several configurations. great choice

B H

[RUMLUVER]

Got to be honest I'm personally a 6.5mm fan than a 6mm fan but like I stated in the 6mm world the 6mm Remington would be my choice!

[Evan03]

what do you think about ther 6.5/06 seeing as how you can find 270 and 3006 rifles used laying in street gutters and garbage cans everywhere.

so so easy to come up with a donor rifle in these calibers its not even funny.

or 6mm06 in my mind this is way to close to 2506. but then so is the 6mmrem or even the 243. 90-100gr bullets are very close in perfromance.

right now im not even pushn my 100gr bullets over 3250 out of my 2506.

ive also begun to consider this alight varmit rifle 22" barrel. as im sitn now i have two heavy weight 224 rifles. why do i need 3rd heavy varmit rifle. ??????
i like 22" barrels and the 6mm calibers they seem to be about the perfect do all size bullets.
would i miss the 4"s of barrel hell no i wouldnt. maybe i would if you told me 4"s less meant i was 1000fps slower.

but but. i could run 24" barrel pretty easy. i think 24"s is the best compromise when wanting a carry/vt rifle. i can honestly say ive never missed a few inches off any barrel nor have i noticed a few additional inches. i just dont shoot far enough or shoot through chronys enough to care i guess.

if i build custom the barrel is going to be 24"s fluted and have taper about like the remington sendero. itl actualy have the save taper. i like the taper alot.

the rifle will be built mainly for killing critters from 50-500yds as a maximum. ounce a good load is developed itl probly never punch paper again.

[RUMLUVER]

The 6.5-06 is a real good choice in two fold 1st like you said a good action to build it on is readily available and 2nd you have greater selection of bullets. You can shoot anything from screaming fast varmint wieghts to a well constructed game weight bullet. I would suggest for a game bullet using the Swift Scirocco 130gr it has a BC of .571 this is the bullet I'm basing my .264 Win Mag custom project off of. With the 6.5-06 and a 24" barrel you would be able to push this bullet at 3000+ plenty flat traveling there. One thing though if you go this route have your gunsmith throat your chamber out a little more than standard about .180 so you seat these bullets out a little farther. Just my opinion thats all hope this helps!

[Evan03]

that did help.

ive been compareing the 2506 and 6.506 and man theyre close.

[RUMLUVER]

Very true but you must keep in mind if you are planning on reaching out and touching something you need retained energy. With the heavier 6.5mm bullets you will have more energy out farther and your bullets have higher B.C.'s and S.D.'s wich equates to flatter trajectories and better penatration. There is nothing wrong with the .25 caliber or the .24 caliber It's just that if your looking for something to reach out to 500 yards shoot the round that will give you the least drop, defection and most energy. To me the 6.5 is the way to go no recoil, flat shooting and hits real hard for a bullet it's size and wieght.

[Evan03]

wellp

changes agaaaaaain

shes gona be a widlcat. ive picked up 6br brass then will be 6br dies then bullets then haver it rebarreld with alittle bit oversize chamber for bench rest caliber. there no way im turning knecks to fit the tight br chamber.

the 6br actualy isnt a widlcat this is a facotry caliber and theres facotry ammo available but not much.

mines is going to to reamed to the brx chamber. this is just slightly improved br case. increases case capicity to by about 10" and get 95-105s right in the 3000fps ball park.

barrels either going to be twisted 10" or 8" havent decided yet. and lenght will be 24"s all the velocity figures ive seen are comeing from 24" barrels i see no reason to go longer. 24 will get me the speeds i want and be fairly easy to pack.
im thinking a straight taper #7 barrel. thats fairly beefy and is close to rem sendero taper.

bulletts used will range from 75-105grs


ounce i come up with about 700 bucks exstra from somewhere the rifle is going to be sent to pacnor. well theres where id like it to go. finale details will be finalized ounce ive got the cash in hand.

ohhhhhhhh boy this fun.

Evan


heres a link to get your minds a wondering

http://www.6mmbr.com/6BRImproved01.html

["yote"]

Get rid of the Ruger 77 action. they are almost impossible to get
bedded properly. I know, I have tried it on 4 of them. They are a royal pain in the ass.They won't tune up like a Win, Rem or Sako etc.. type actions. You don't see many long range shooting cups being won by Ruger 77 actions. A Ruger 77 is the LAST rifle that I would try to accurize. JMHO.

[Evan03]

cant do it just cant do it.

ruger rifles are with me to stay.

my unbedded 2506 ruger m77 mkII shoots on par with the 22/250 vs sf rem i used to have. this rifle is not bedded or even free floated.

i also shoot a m77 mKII in a 3006 rugers facotry synthetick stock and facotry loads literaly shocked me. i couldnt belive how acurate it is. still dont.

im also not going out to win anything. im just doing it to do it have something truly unigue. i think ill be the first kid on the block to have brx or even the first kid in town.

[RUMLUVER]

If Ruger floats your boat good just go with what works best for you. As it is with rifles not one rifle fits everyone because if it did we wouldn't have near as much to discuss. Ya know

[Evan03]

and wed all drive chevys. heck with yer fords ;)

my 2506 is a screamer, its box stock other than me stoneing the trigger and reloading for it. yesterday i pulled off a couple groups that are nipn on the heels of my 220. one group was probly even better than the 220. made me think man i better play with the swift some more.
cant have my 25 out shoot it.

im off to shoot some 300yd grs through the 25 to see how well the 75 sierras are flying. also want to see the trajectory. im betn were going as flat or flatter than the 220 right now.

[RUMLUVER]

What are you shooting with that 75gr Sierra? Is it a target and varmit load? Just wondering

[Evan03]

varmit. or air all around the varmits :rolleyes: :eek: :)

[RUMLUVER]

25-06 sounds kind of big for varmits to me but thats just me

[Evan03]

it is kinda big for varmits. though i have found 100gr nosler to do very well on coyote pelts at midrange and longer. even at 100yds and closer ive had good luck with them keeping pelts together..

the caliber has stuck to me like glue on hot rubber this rifle is like my right hand. i can varmit hunt and deer hunt with one load one rifle .

i think that is the reason i like it so much it just does everything very well and ive become very well aquainted with it. this rifle has more varmit kills past 350yds than my other 224 varmit rigs combined.

[BLUEDOT 72]

Evan03, Do you have a shift key on your computer? How about punctuation keys?

[royinidaho]

Yo Evan,

To keep the weight down go with a small contour 6.5 or if you just gotta a 6mm bbl at least 28" long.

For a cartridge, neck down the 270 WSM.

W/the 6.5 cal yer good for any animal in ID. W/the 6 yer good for almost any animal in ID.

If you want to get really hot, neck that case down to .224. Sweet:D

[CJ n Wy]

Well let see its gota be a Ruger,less than #10,6mm and shoot to 500 yards.
A VT will weigh more than #10 so that puts that stock-barrel combo out!
http://photos.imageevent.com/cjnmn/guns/websize/old%20toy%20pics%20109.jpg
The 6br you mentioned would do it but in field conditions your gona have to know your drop chart and range with precision!
The Ruger makes a great critter getter but it aint a BR gun and 500 yards consistantly is about the limit for most.
You already have a good shootin 220Swift and 25-06 so a 6-284 or 6.5-284 with a fast twist barrel seams like it would help out the range a little.
I've had luck getting to 500 yards with an old Ruger tang 8 twist 22-250 shootin the 75 grain Amax( but its over #10 too).Its a LOT better in the wind than the Swift with 55 grainers.
http://photos.imageevent.com/cjnmn/guns/websize/22250ior.jpg
The 7 mag has dropt a couple of deer just shy of 500 yards and put the fear of god into coyotes out to 800 but its spendy to reload for prairie dogs:p Bottom gun in pic
http://photos.imageevent.com/cjnmn/guns/websize/old%20toy%20pics%20098.jpg
If it realy has to be shot @ past 500 yards this old tang in 308Baer has the ability to get it done.It stays minute of deer to 1000 yards alright but has trouble with prairie dogs that far.
http://photos.imageevent.com/cjnmn/guns/websize/308Baer.jpg

[royinidaho]

CJ in wy

Very nice rifles and good longrange performance

Where ya @ in Wy?

[bulletpusher]

If you guys don't already know, I've got a Ruger M77MKII Sporter that has shot a best group of 0.118" at 100yrds. It will keepem in 3/8" or less all day.

The Ruger get my vote and allways will.

To Yote, I don't know if you've ever really own'd a Ruger or not or if it was just years ago before Ruger started making their own barrels. But your just full of it about Rugers. JMHO!

For what its worth, Yote don't know Ruger rifles from shinola!

Nuff said,
Bulletpusher

[RagingBullPa]

my choice would be a 7mm Hart or 30 Hart custom built by R W HART And Sons, thats a good light rifle , both bullets have excellent Ballistic Coefficents and a wide variety of bullet weights IMO the 7mm bullet is probably the best of all of them

[Evan03]

man this is still floatn on the top.

my long range rig has never been built. i do now have caliber picked out. itl be 6.5 284 1/8 possibly 1/7 barrel pushn 140 bergers. ive grown to lover bergers over the past few years. the gun will most certainly weigh in over 10lbs. ive found under till isnt what i want.

for now my long range rig has still been my 2506. its punched papaer to 500 now and is even printed decent grops thatl kill most any game to that range. though my deer was killed inside 200 this year with a short range 220 swift.

my 2506 pushes 115 bergervlds and 115 nosler. ive found slow powders work best. imr 7828 ssc rl 22 4350s and even hodg 100v as shown some promising groups at 300. but my best loads are with 7828 and rl22.

bergers are seated hard into the lands and noslers print tight groups about any where they happen to be seated in the kneck.

i will say i flung alot of bergers down range to get where im at now. and ill never go back. for long range bergers are where its at.

and for now this is for long range on varmits. ill add deer to the mix later on as my skill and confidence progresses, but i know consider long range beyond 400. past that im not 100% confident inmyself.

long range dogs and chucks are where its at with the 2506.


ohhh next upgrade is glass. 6.5-20 leo with dots to 600 mounted on the 25