gunslick foaming bore cleaner

[hofts]

i say no go.

first of all it says non toxic, no ammonia.....i say how can this work

after using it on several rifles, although i fell in love with the application process.. i don't think it works at all.

i have left it set for 45 minutes, pushed patches thru and no blue. thinking this just cant be right after a while i let some sweets soak for 20 min. pushed thru a patch real quick and blue blue blue.

so, i don't think the gunslick foaming bore cleaner works at all except for powder only residue.

i did get a blue patch with it the next day however after i let it soak in break free overnite ...

[fabsroman]

That is kind of funny, because when I use it blue actually comes out the barrel as the stuff drains out. When I push a patch through to get all of it out, I get a ton of blue on my rag.

Maybe you just got a bum batch of the stuff. Quite honestly, I really like it, but after reading this post I will use some Sweets after using the foaming bore cleaner and see if I can get any additional copper out of the barrel.

This should be a good experiment.

[hofts]

well then i must have a bum can of the stuff, because like i said, just nothing. i will try another.

[Montana Cowboy]

Howdy All
I've been using the Outers foaming bore cleaner and it works quite well. I let it sit in the barrel over night and it takes the copper out. MC

[Evan03]

i still see no reason to get esxscited.

i also wonder how you know when all the fouling is out of the barrel. i can run dry brush the barrel and it looks bore i just cleaned with outers foaming stuff.

i honestly just clean bores with outers every ounce in awhile(not very often) just because i know its not a bad thing to do

on a side note i also see blue come out of the bore. i also get alot of gunk out with the patches. but i could get gunk out all night long if i wanted.

i usualy run about 4 patches or even bore snake and call it good after scrubbing the Outers out with brush

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Evan03
i still see no reason to get esxscited.

i also wonder how you know when all the fouling is out of the barrel. i can run dry brush the barrel and it looks bore i just cleaned with outers foaming stuff.

i honestly just clean bores with outers every ounce in awhile(not very often) just because i know its not a bad thing to do

on a side note i also see blue come out of the bore. i also get alot of gunk out with the patches. but i could get gunk out all night long if i wanted.

i usualy run about 4 patches or even bore snake and call it good after scrubbing the Outers out with brush

IF YOU ARE USING A BRASS BRUSH TO SCRUB OUT THE OUTERS YOU WILL SEE BLUE UNTILL THE COWS COME HOME OR YOU RUN OUT OF THE CLEANING SPRAY. THE CHEMICALS REACT WITH BRASS OR COPPER TO CAUSE THE BLUE COLOR.

[Evan03]

yup one thing i forgot to mention but had thought of. im not useing brass though i didnt have the faintest idea till rocky mentioned it a few days ago.


im a difrent breed. mayber my bores are worse than other shooters rifles out there. i cant tell by lookin or shootin. ive also got one with shot out chamber and heck i cant tell this one from rifle i bought yesterday.

[fabsroman]

Evan,

I am not excited about this at all. Hopefully, Hofts isn't pissed off at me either. I just figured that it was weird (aka funny) that he couldn't get any blue of out his barrel and I could. Then again, there could be a million reasons why. I just wanted to hear what the rest of the group had to say about the stuff. I guess it seems to work, but like Rocky told me a while ago, we should probably still give the rifle a good run through with the brush every so often even if we use the foaming bore cleaner and/or bore snake.

You and I are alike when it comes to rifles. I shoot them until they don't shoot anymore and I have no idea when they are worn out except for when they start shooting like crap.

As far as cleaning them, I have a couple of rifles that never give me a clean patch no matter how long I scrub them. Both are older than I am. One has always been owned by my father and the other my father purchased used from a friend about 5 years ago. However, both guns shoot pretty well even though I cannot get a clean patch out of them after 20+ cleanings.

[Rocky Raab]

Maybe it's age, but the more I shoot, the less concerned I get about a lot of things.

Squeaky clean bores, itsy-bitsy groups and high muzzle velocity are just three things that no longer seem paramount to me.

I still like to put together nice accurate loads, but my "window" of what constitutes accurate keeps getting wider. The same goes with "fast" and "powerful" I guess.

Right now, I'm testing a new cartridge (to be introduced by Savage). It's a .20-cal and it launches 40-gr bullets at 3800 fps with less than 30 grains of powder. Some other testers have managed to launch 30-grainers at 4700 fps - but they disintegrate in flight.

Me? I'm unwilling to punch them that fast. Somwhere around 4200 is plenty, I think. Safer, too.

What may be even more telling is that when all this is done and my article gets published, I'll be sending the rifle back to Savage. I have no need or interest for a cartridge like that. I once thought so, but not any more. Of course, that may change when I see what it does in a prairie dog town, LOL!

[hofts]

no i don't get pissed very easily. i seriously think i may have a bad can. cause i tried it again after my range session and just did not get anything, no black, no blue, so i used hoppes, got a little more black. used sweets for 15 min. pushed thru with a plastic black jag and blue, blue. blue. so anyhow. i will go buy some other foam and try that out.

sweets does work d-- good for me though. quick and easy,
later

[Montana Cowboy]

Evening Folks
I don't scrub my rifle bores using solvent on the brush, After shooting, before I leave the range, I run the brass/bronze brush down the bore 1 pass for each 10 shots fired. I then run two patches through the bore with Hoppe's on the patch. After I get home I run a dry patch through it then another patch with Hoppe's and let sit over night. The next day it's a dry patch followed by additional cleaning as necessary. I use the Outers foaming bore cleaner when I feel it is necessary. I have not given up on other bore cleaners such as Sweets or JB bore cleaner ,Shooters Choice etc I just go with what I feel is necessary.
My son has a Winchester Mdl 70 30.06(Stainless) and it must have been the first barrel rifled after changing broaches as this barrel is so smoothe on the inside that it is very noticable compared to my other rifles when running a patch through to clean. You get hardly no copper fouling out of it and the burnt powder residue comes out easily.
The Outers foaming cleaner has done very well on the military rifles I have bought. MC

[MarkL]

I use Wipe-Out (another foam) on my guns and I am not very impressed. Even after applying it twice (overnight both times), I can still get a lot of black crud out using Butch's bore shine. The guns in question are both stainless. One is a Bullberry .223 and the other is a Tikka .308. Neither ever has much copper fouling to begin with.

[270man]

I'm a proponent of staying on the initial subject of a post and not getting too far off the mark. This reply is a violation but I'll first comment on Gunslick and Wipe-Out -- the only 2 foaming bore cleaners I've ever used.

Can't prove much scientifically but I feel better knowing that the foam could possibly contact all interior surfaces of the bore while Hoppes and other liquids quickly drain to the bottom (old gravity again) and don't evenly coat the bore. This is just supposition on my part.

I seem to have good results with some rifles and not so much with others. The test I use is to soak the bores in foam overnight and repeat if necessary. Necessary to me is when the patch comes out heavily blued after a soak. After the foam soaks and the patches come out clean or only slightly blue, I run patches soaked with Hoppes No. 9 or Butch's Bore Shine and then run a soaked brush through multiple times. More soaked patches follow the brushing. If the patches come out clean, then I'm done.

With the above technique, some of my rifles produce patches that are absolutely clean. Others might have some evidence of additional crud still in the barrel. In all cases, I just run a patch through with Breakfree CLP and put them away.

As for Gunslick vs Wipe-Out, both seem to work okay but I don't care for the clear applicator tube on the Gunslick. Can't jam it in the muzzle of my rifles and it doesn't fit well in the breech. Always get a mess. The cone-shaped nozzle on Wipe-Out makes a good press-fit on all my muzzles and there is no mess (as long as I plug the breech with a cloth).

Now for my violation by getting off-subject:

What is your experience with the Outers Foul-Out electro-chemical bore cleaner? I've had one for quite some time and have never used it. Friend of mine says it is too much hassle and he doesn't feel it works all that well. He has since sold his. Should I use mine or sell it?

270man

[Montana Cowboy]

Howdy 270Man
I couldn't tell you much about the electric bore cleaner other than I've only heard good things about them. Your the first person that I've heard a negitive response about that type of cleaner. I would give it a try before getting rid of it. Your friend may have had some problem with his and it may not have been working correctly. Let us know what ya decide to do. MC

[papi]

i used the gunslick foaming cleaner and it was poor at best.i went back to my break-free foaming bore cleaner. it works great

[Cossack]

Gunslick foam was not been very effective for me either. One of my Contender barrels had copper at the muzzle so I foamed and let it stand.. twice. Copper still there. CR 10 took care of it . I also find it messy. No matter what I do it either backs out of the chamber &/or the bore, into the mag well in rifles or into the action in handguns I'm back to my"lotions" from now on: CR, Sweets, Boreshine and JB if really leaded.

[papi]

any time you clean a gun it is messy unless you use a bore snake.sure the foam backs up if you do not have the sprayer far enough down the barrel.none of the foams will remove copper.if you are finding copper thgen you need to check what bullets you are using

[Stoked_C]

Any cleaner with ammonia is going to create the "blue" that we all talk about because ammonia (NH3) is going to react with any small trace of copper.

These foaming cleansers claim no ammonia so it is my guess that they might have some form of nitrogen or maybe another element reacts with copper in such a way to get "blue".

Regardless, cleaning is over rated, unless you just have a bore that fouls overly so very rapidly. Most completely clean bores don't settle down until after a few fouling shots, so why care about getting the bore squeaky clean?

I didn't get gobs of blue when I used gunslick but I did get a few transparent blue drops dripping out of my barrel. A couple of patches through followed with a couple patches of Hoppes and everything was very clean. I set out to do this "thorough" cleaning after feeling that my groups were opening up some. Granted I hadn't cleaned in 100 plus rounds. Maybe a bore snake with Hoppes some where in there.

I think it more so depends on condition of the bore (rough vs smooth) and what bullets you are shooting. If shooting Barnes monolithic copper bullets you are going to be laying down more copper for sure because it is more pure and malleable. While say nosler ballistic tips or accubonds seem to shoot very clean because the "copper jacket" is of a bit "harder" copper alloy. Thus it doesn't lay down as much copper, and I find shoots cleaner. I think if you're getting relatively clean patches after the foaming cleaner and your bore looks shiny....then go shoot....if the groups are settling how you like, then who cares if an ammonia based cleaner is still bringing blue patches. We're here to shoot accurately, not clean pristinely.....

[fabsroman]

Well put.

[skeet]

I've used both of the foaming bore cleaner and wasn't all that impressed. But I really, like Rocky and StokedC, don't feel you have to get the bore all squeaky clean anyway.
As an aside..on the Foul out electric cleaner. I have one and it is a pain to use..BUT...on a badly fouled bore it is the cat's meow. When it gets done..that bore is CLEAN. Then you just have to go out and waste a bunch of bullets getting it dirty again:D . It really does work well on bores that are a bit rough. I used it on a friends 86 Winchester that just refused to shoot worth a darn. Good groups were 6"...at 50 yds!. After cleaning with the foul out(Lead cleaner) the bore looked completely different. Shot to a much lower point of impact and a 3" group at a 100 yds was about average for him. Fore me?? Well ...never mind! Did shoot better than it had for years. Shoulda seen the stuff on that rod when it came out too....and the juice looked terrible

[Ak_Red]

I used the Gunslick Foaming bore cleaner on three of my rifles. The first two were my 25-06 and 300 Ultra-Mag. On these it did not seem to do much. The bores got clean, but no faster, or better than Butch's Bore Shine does (and Butch's smells better).

The last rifle, an SKS I just bought, the results were different. My father also got one and I cleaned his bore with Butch's. Patch after patch I sent through and they came out black. Nasty deep, lots o' gunk black. There was blue mixed in at first, but by and large they stayed black. It took one two hour session, and a second session of an hour and a half before you could call it clean(ish). For mine I tried the Gunslick Foaming Bore Cleaner. Three bores full of foam and it was clean. The first batch of foam to come out looked like something that comes out of a backed up septic tank. The second looked bad, the third was pretty good. It was a lot quicker and easier.

I think the foaming cleaner will be my choice on a heavily (hasn't been cleaned in years) fouled bore. Other than that I will stick with Butch's.