.45lc shotshells

[gumpokc]

anyone know of any company that markets .45lc shotshell loads?

Got a friend looking for them, figured i'd ask here as I don't remember seeing them much, if at all.

[Rocky Raab]

CCI now sells them.

[gumpokc]

Ok thanks Rocky, I should have checked their site earlier.

I guess alot of places simply don't stock the .45lc in them.

[Adam Helmer]

gumpokc,

I handload my shot loads using Unique powder, gaschecks and #6 shot. My older Speer Manual lists powder charges for .38 Special, .357 magnum and .44 and .45 rounds. I put in a dose of Unique, a gas check with the cup up, a dose of shot almost to the case mouth and then a gas check on top (cup down) and lightly crimp making a brass shotshell of sorts.

The Tioga County rattlers like my concoction. ALWAYS wear eye protection when shooting any shot loads because the fine shot will bounce back into your face from a hard surface!

Adam

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by gumpokc
Ok thanks Rocky, I should have checked their site earlier.

I guess alot of places simply don't stock the .45lc in them.

now adam knows how to get the job done. :D

thats the only way to fly.

[gumpokc]

Thanks Adam, I'll pass that info to friend whos looking for them.

I myself don't have a .45lc yet, I just use my .357, and as little as a shoot shotshells, i just buy the CCI's.

It is good info i'll keep, who knos i might just use it later :)

Chuckle Billy :)

[Rocky Raab]

Oh well..in THAT case...

For any Colt-style 45 (which means NOT a Ruger), you can make superb 45 shotshells from cut-down 410 shells.

Size themin the 45 LC dies with the deprime punch removed, then insert them into your gun's cylinder (out of the gun) and trim the 410 shell to cylinder length.

Now prime the shotshell, drop in 5 grains of Unique and seat a 410 shot cup. Trim that to just short of case length. Add shot to the top of the shotcup.

Place a cardboard wad (make those with a sharpened 410 magnum case) and hot-glue the wad in place.

One each 45 shotshell.

The reason this won't work with a Ruger is because the cylinder ratchet in the center is too large for the 410 shotshell rim. Colt pattern guns have a smaller ratchet and the 410 case seats fully.

[gumpokc]

Nice info there Rocky! have to make sure i keep that with Adam's info.

The main reason i asked about it, is my friend is a reserve sheriff, and along with the saftey issue ( he carries a glock 40s&w) he just really does not like reloaded, or handloaded ammo.
He'll only use factory stuff, but i had a brainfart and couldn't remember who made shotshells in .45lc

I should have known CCi did, since i use them in .357/.38, but I never see any .45lc at the paces i buy them at, so I did ther "assume" thing, and well....we all know what that does :)

thanks again all for the info, I really do appreciate it.

[Adam Helmer]

Billy D,

I liked your post. Back in 1988, after I bought the farm, I went fishing on a local creek. I had a 3-inch M65 S&W .357 stoked with factory shotshells. My neighbors advised me there were rattlers along the creek in May. Well, they were correct, there were lots of them.

I do not recall if they were CCI or Speer shotshells, but they did not reliably spray a shot pattern when needed; about half broke up like they should and the remainder were like "solids" when a rattler was in my path. My minature brass shotshells open up 100% of the time. Be well.

Adam

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Adam Helmer
Billy D,

I liked your post. Back in 1988, after I bought the farm, I went fishing on a local creek. I had a 3-inch M65 S&W .357 stoked with factory shotshells. My neighbors advised me there were rattlers along the creek in May. Well, they were correct, there were lots of them.

I do not recall if they were CCI or Speer shotshells, but they did not reliably spray a shot pattern when needed; about half broke up like they should and the remainder were like "solids" when a rattler was in my path. My minature brass shotshells open up 100% of the time. Be well.

Adam

THANKS ADAM, JUST THE TRUTH.

DIDN'T WE GET INTO THIS SUBJECT BEFORE OR WAS IT ANOTHER FORUM?

I HAD TOLD OTHER POSTERS ABOUT THE ARTICLE MIKE VENTURINO HAD WRITEN IN HANDLOADER MAGAZINE ABOUT 45 SHOTSHELLS. VERY IMPRESSIVE PERFORMANCE. HE TESTED SEVERAL SHOT SIZES. IT WAS VERY UNBIASED.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ISSUE IT WAS IN AND CAN'T SEEM TO FIND IT, SO THAT MEANS IT MUST BE RIGHT UNDER MY NOSE SOMEWHERE. I'LL DO SOME MORE DIGGING.

BEST WISHES

[Jack]

I saw that article...think it was in Handloader.
Anyway, Venturino tested some shot sizes and strongly recommended #12 shot.

[Adam Helmer]

Jack,

I have never seen #12 shot at my local backwater gun shop and I would not consider "dust shot" best for rattlers. I have tested #6, #71/2 and #8 shot in my handloaded shot loads and at close range, all kill snakes. I also take out other varmits with my shot loads around the farm. I agree small shot is best and #71/2 seems ideal for big rattlers at 12 feet, or less.

My gas check over shot "wad" is also part of the shot load "ejecta" and my last snake had the gas check in its head. If Venturo likes #12 shot, I suggest he shoot more than once if he comes across a really big snake.

I experimented with .45 ACP shot loads and have not found the right load that cycles the slide and feeds reliably. So, I go with revolvers for my handloaded shot (snake) loads.

Adam

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Adam Helmer
Jack,

I have never seen #12 shot at my local backwater gun shop. I have tested #6, #71/2 and #8 shot in my handloaded shot loads and at close range, all kill snakes. I also take out other varmits with my shot loads around the farm. I agree small shot is best and #71/2, or #8 seem ideal for big rattlers at 12 feet, or less.

Adam

ADAM

IN THAT ARTICLE MIKE USED A POTATO AS HIS TEST MEDIA AT 15 FEET AS I RECALL. THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF WHITE SHOWING IN THE PICTURE AND NOT MUCH POTATO SKIN. IT BLEW THAT THING TO SMITHEREENS.

ALSO, THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE #12 SHOT, THAT I KNOW OF, IS TO ORDER IT A BAG, FROM BALLISTIC PRODUCTS IN MINNESOTA. THAT WOULD PROBABLY LAST TILL MY GREATGRAND KIDS START SHOOTING. :D

THERE AREN'T THAT MANY SNAKES HERE. EXCEPT THE TWO LEGGED VARIETY AND I HAVE NO PLANS ON SHOOTING TRAP WITH IT.

[Jack]

Yup, I agree with both of you that #12 is darn hard to come by. And buying a bag of it is serious overkill.
I make shot loads in 38, 44, and 45 ACP, and I use #9 that I scrounged off a skeet shooter. If you can scrounge a cupful of shot, you'll be making a buncha shot loads. Seems to me, at the range that handgun shot loads are effective, there's no need for big shot.
Adam, I believe CCI is now making 45 ACP shot loads using a shot capsule. I have not tried it, so I don't know if they will cycle the slide.
I make my own 45 ACP shot loads, with a rather complicated, cobbled up process I worked out. I end up with about 145 grains of shot, and good patterns. Cycling with an 18 pound spring is iffy... most of 'em do, but it's right on the ragged edge.

[TreeDoc]

What's a 45LC?

All of mine are 45 Colts! ;)

Chalk it up to semantics :rolleyes: :p

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by TreeDoc
What's a 45LC?

All of mine are 45 Colts! ;)

Chalk it up to semantics :rolleyes: :p

hi doc

read mike venturinos book on the 45. there were three different lengths of ammo. the 45 long colt or peacemaker round and the 45 s&w schofield, or short colt being the most popular. long and short were two terms used when purchasing ammo to differentiate between the two. much the same way we buy 22 ammo nowadays.

[gumpokc]

Originally posted by TreeDoc
What's a 45LC?

All of mine are 45 Colts! ;)

Chalk it up to semantics :rolleyes: :p

Chuckle, i do agree with ya Treedoc, but there are enough people out there who think .45acp is all there is, so I always add in the designation to prevent misunderstanding :)