Combo rifles

[bru]

I was at a great gun shop the other day and saw some very neat antique shotguns that that had two differently chambered barrels side-by-side. I looked into it further online and discovered a number of "combo" firearms. I couldn't help but be a bit delighted at the .22/.410 combos. Seemed like a pretty awsome small game solution. Could you scope it for the .22? The .410 is so mild. I wounder if you could fire a scoped shotgun round accurately. Since the barrels are in diferent possitions the shotgun wouldn't be zeroed. I can't believe I just said that. Anyway, Just a whimsy. I'm fond of the combo idea though. I like the H&R combos. You could have a scoped rifle barrel and a standard shotgun barrel. Just swap and shoot. Slower though. I like having both at your finger tips.

[Swift]

Savage still produces the 24F which is a shotgun under a rimfire/centerfire. Heavy as heck though.

[BILLY D.]

bru

if you "really" like combo guns do a search for drillings and fierlings. they are to die for, which is about how long it will take you to pay one off. they are works of art.

a lot of europeans use them extensivly because of the type hunting they do. they may be hunting deer and pigs in the morning and evenings and bird hunting in the afternoon.

the word you were looking for on shotguns is regulated or convergence, depending on which country you are in.

i have a system for my shotguns to make them combo guns. i use the slide in adapters for cartridges. i also have slide in adapters to change gauges for shotguns. however they do require a bit of attention. lots fo fun if you screw up and aren't paying attention and fire a 20 in 12 gauge chamber.

best wishes

[Dom]

Combination weapons are great when you have multiple seasons at the same time. Unfortunately, in the states, it's normally a one season deal. But, for a varmint hunter after fox or coyote, a shotgun barrel over a rifle barrel would make good sense. I have a couple of drillings, one is a normal 2x16 ga over an 8x57, and in the right barrel is a sleeve that shoots .22 magnum. They have two triggers, the front is a set trigger for the rifle barrel and with a selector also shoots the right shotgun or sleeved barrel. All are scoped, which are removable. My 'baby' is called a Bock (O/U) Drilling, 20ga mag over a 30-06 with a hornet barrel sandwiched on the right side. Scope is sighted in for the 30-06, the hornet barrel adjusts on the end to same POI, and the shotgun barrel is for shot which doesn't need to be sighted in. If you shoot slugs, you have to shoot a variety to find one that hits close.

A lot better than carrying two or three guns to the stand, I can be hunting deer, boar, rabbits, hare, fox, etc all with that one gun. And it comes in handy !!

But, like Billy said, they cost a bit more -- on the other hand, how much would you pay for 3 weapons? And you only need one scope!! Waidmannsheil, Dom.

Bockdrilling, Blaser BD880
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid80/p83e3465fe15ae7141925c31ccfbe62e0/fb074d82.jpg

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Dom
Combination weapons are great when you have multiple seasons at the same time. Unfortunately, in the states, it's normally a one season deal. But, for a varmint hunter after fox or coyote, a shotgun barrel over a rifle barrel would make good sense. I have a couple of drillings, one is a normal 2x16 ga over an 8x57, and in the right barrel is a sleeve that shoots .22 magnum. They have two triggers, the front is a set trigger for the rifle barrel and with a selector also shoots the right shotgun or sleeved barrel. All are scoped, which are removable. My 'baby' is called a Bock (O/U) Drilling, 20ga mag over a 30-06 with a hornet barrel sandwiched on the right side. Scope is sighted in for the 30-06, the hornet barrel adjusts on the end to same POI, and the shotgun barrel is for shot which doesn't need to be sighted in. If you shoot slugs, you have to shoot a variety to find one that hits close.

A lot better than carrying two or three guns to the stand, I can be hunting deer, boar, rabbits, hare, fox, etc all with that one gun. And it comes in handy !!

But, like Billy said, they cost a bit more -- on the other hand, how much would you pay for 3 weapons? And you only need one scope!! Waidmannsheil, Dom.

Bockdrilling, Blaser BD880
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid80/p83e3465fe15ae7141925c31ccfbe62e0/fb074d82.jpg

hey dom
thanks for the great info. i'd give my left you know what to own a firearm like that. i have seen double rifles but never a drilling. i heard my grandfather speak about them though.

when i went through austria i seen a gun manufacturer and stopped in to talk. i believe his name was scheiring, that may not be spelled correctly. have you heard of him. at the time we stopped he was trying to make arrangments to have someone in the states to sell his firearms here.

those guns were beautiful. most of his work is done by hand. he had a staff of workers there. old tradesmen, and young folks just starting out. a first class organization.

thanks again dom.

[PJgunner]

When I lived in Nevada, usually deer, quail and Chukar partridge season was all open at the same time. If I had the rifle for deer, all I'd see were birds. If I had the shotgun, all I'd see were deer. Mosy of the time the deer were way too far out to try and use a slug, and anyway, slugs were illegal for big game at the time. Whther or not that still holds, I don't know.
Paul B.

[Dom]

Interesting Billy, that you remembered that Gunsmiths name, and even spelled it correctly. He is a Master Gunmaker in the Ferlach Factory, and is listed at the Ferlach link I have placed below:

Herbert Scheiring
Klagenfurter Strasse 19
A9107 Ferlach, Austria
Tel (04227) 2876, Fax 2876


Ferlach is a very FAMOUS weapon, check out this link for some more info on Ferlach Guns.

FERLACH (http://itishooting.com/Ferlach.asp)

I also like to go into these shops where they have craftsman making by hand and fitting and downright doing the job right. I have not been to Ferlach, but will keep that in the back of my noggin' if I ever get down that way.

But, I'm afraid you'd have to give more than just your left nux, not even both would get you a Ferlach !! WH Dom.

[Archie]

During WWII Germany packed a double gun, rifle/shotgun combination, into many of the larger military aircraft as survival guns. The idea being a stranded crew could forage for small or medium game or birds until they were rescued or walked out.

There is a problem with the two caliber guns in the United States for hunting. At least in People's Democratic Socialist Republic California, one is in violation of the game laws if one has a usable rifle while hunting birds. So a 20 guage/22lr combination with one round of 22 lr in one's pocket is a serious violation - as in seizure of the gun and a fine. This may be true in other states as well.

Still, the old style zwilings and drilings are really classy guns.

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Dom
Interesting Billy, that you remembered that Gunsmiths name, and even spelled it correctly. He is a Master Gunmaker in the Ferlach Factory, and is listed at the Ferlach link I have placed below:

Herbert Scheiring
Klagenfurter Strasse 19
A9107 Ferlach, Austria
Tel (04227) 2876, Fax 2876


Ferlach is a very FAMOUS weapon, check out this link for some more info on Ferlach Guns.

FERLACH (http://itishooting.com/Ferlach.asp)

I also like to go into these shops where they have craftsman making by hand and fitting and downright doing the job right. I have not been to Ferlach, but will keep that in the back of my noggin' if I ever get down that way.

But, I'm afraid you'd have to give more than just your left nux, not even both would get you a Ferlach !! WH Dom.

bless you my friend. that was 40 years ago this june when my wife and i visited his shop. we were on a motorcycle trip and just happened to stop. i'll never forget the way he eyeballed my wife. i guess i couldn't blame him. she was beautiful, blonde hair, greyish blue eyes and built like a brick chicken coop. if you didn't know you would never guess she was a mother of four. and to top it all off she spoke german fluently. she was quite extraordinary for an american. her grandparents emmigrated from russia but were part of the german population in the black sea area. odessa and kiev.

remembering herr scheirings name was no problem, i can still see the black and white sign on the front of his shop when i close my eyes. the only thing i couldn't remember was his first name. i thought it was harold. as soon as i saw herbert i thought, dum kopf.

ostereich is a beautiful country to visit. i liked it there. after we left austria we went through switzerland and into northern italy and along the mediteranian coast back up thru france to luxembourg and finally home to bitburg.

in italy we were getting hungry and stopped in a little town called aosta. being americans were were used to eating anytime we wanted. can't do that in italy, eaterys are only open certain hours. we ended up stoping at a bar. well we tried to explain our hunger problem with an italian pointee talkee and the bartender asked if we were americans in perfect english. we were agog. he said he didn't have any hot food but could fix us salads and some lunchon meat and bread along with some of the best wine i've ever had. the bartender had just moved back to italy from brooklyn. small world huh?

thanks for the info and i bookmarked it.

aufweidersehen und gut gluck mein fruende.

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Dom
Interesting Billy, that you remembered that Gunsmiths name, and even spelled it correctly. He is a Master Gunmaker in the Ferlach Factory, and is listed at the Ferlach link I have placed below:

Herbert Scheiring
Klagenfurter Strasse 19
A9107 Ferlach, Austria
Tel (04227) 2876, Fax 2876


Ferlach is a very FAMOUS weapon, check out this link for some more info on Ferlach Guns.

FERLACH (http://itishooting.com/Ferlach.asp)

I also like to go into these shops where they have craftsman making by hand and fitting and downright doing the job right. I have not been to Ferlach, but will keep that in the back of my noggin' if I ever get down that way.

But, I'm afraid you'd have to give more than just your left nux, not even both would get you a Ferlach !! WH Dom.

bless you my friend. that was 40 years ago this june when my wife and i visited his shop. we were on a motorcycle trip and just happened to stop. i'll never forget the way he eyeballed my wife. i guess i couldn't blame him. she was beautiful, blonde hair, greyish blue eyes and built like a brick chicken coop. if you didn't know you would never guess she was a mother of four. and to top it all off she spoke german fluently. she was quite extraordinary for an american. her grandparents emmigrated from russia but were part of the german population in the black sea area. odessa and kiev.

remembering herr scheirings name was no problem, i can still see the black and white sign on the front of his shop when i close my eyes. the only thing i couldn't remember was his first name. i thought it was harold. as soon as i saw herbert i thought, dum kopf.

ostereich is a beautiful country to visit. i liked it there. after we left austria we went through switzerland and into northern italy and along the mediteranian coast back up thru france to luxembourg and finally home to bitburg.

in italy we were getting hungry and stopped in a little town called aosta. being americans were were used to eating anytime we wanted. can't do that in italy, eaterys are only open certain hours. we ended up stoping at a bar. well we tried to explain our hunger problem with an italian pointee talkee and the bartender asked if we were americans in perfect english. we were agog. he said he didn't have any hot food but could fix us salads and some lunchon meat and bread along with some of the best wine i've ever had. the bartender had just moved back to italy from brooklyn. small world huh?

thanks for the info and i bookmarked it.

aufweidersehen und gut gluck mein fruende.

[Skyline]

I have seen a couple of rifles made in Ferlach. The workmanship was superb.