plaim old hounds

[catdaddy]

hellow, for dumb animals such as ,opposum,skunk,rabbit or squirrel will any dog do or do i have to get a special breed, how would i train them
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[catdaddy]

can a jack russel be a good hound for ground critters. what about dachhound for um
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[fabsroman]

I know a guy that had three jack russells. The two females were worthless for hunting, but the male was incredible. He would bring groundhogs home and he would attack dead deer as we tried to hang them up. Problem was that he got into it with a coyote once and that was it.

[catdaddy]

so are they good for trailin if i train um
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[fabsroman]

I don't know the answer to that one. Most dogs have a very good nose and can be trained to use their nose. Can Jack Russels be trained to trail, probably. Just don't know how much time it would take to train them.

[catdaddy]

so basicly any young decent puppy can be trained to track,trail and kill
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[Jabba]

Almost all breeds have their roots in either hunting, herding or protection. 500 years ago... people didn't have pets too often. they had tools.

Today... IMO a lot of dogs have had their instincts bred out of them to make them better pets... or been polluted by backyard breeders. Or breeders that breed strictly for show.

I think your chances af getting a Jack Russell to hunt are reasonable. I think your chances of getting a dachund that will are less than reasonable.

If you want a dog that will trail... get a beagle or a bassett hound and train him to trail what you want. Reward him for finding the critters you want. I have had trouble with hounds that trail deer. I always want to train that OUT of them.

Good luck bro.

Jabba

[DogYeller]

catdaddy, give this forum a try.

http://xsorbit26.com/users5/traditionalworkingairedaleterrier/index.php

Here's another good site.

http://www.redriverok.com/mmterriers/

[catdaddy]

thanks guys that helped a whole lot. yall da men but how much would a good hound cost me. i mean a begale or bluetick
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[rick savage]

have you tried curs or catahoulas, they will and can do anything

[Jabba]

Let me guess... Rick, you have Curs or Catahoulas?

Ask 100 dog people what the best breed of dog is, and thiers breed is the smartest, most loyal, best nose, most versatile, easiest to care for etc...

Not trying to bust your chops man.

I have never seen a Cur or Catahoula pointing pheasants.

Jabba

[catdaddy]

i never understood why people waist money 0on a lab when they could get a good hound, insted of dogs just wal till one flies up and shoot him and go get him
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[fabsroman]

LOL

Catdaddy, I own a lab, and I would love to see a hound swim through fast moving, freezing cold water all day to retrieve waterfowl. That would be fun to see, because I can tell you the hound wouldn't last very long before he went under or just refused to make the retrieve. I am willing to bet that you have never waterfowl hunted, or if so, you don't do much of it. Have you ever been in freezing cold water? I was in it a couple of years ago to get my dog out of an ice hole. He was in there for at least 5 minutes struggling to get out, but I got him out and he was just fine.

Dogs have certain attributes that make them better for certain things. A lab is a great waterfowl dog. Mine does pretty well on doves, but he also runs the risk of overheating during warmer weather. I dove hunt where there are ponds around, so he gets the chance to cool off. He is also pretty good with upland hunting because he has a pretty good nose.

His very first retrieve on a goose was well over 200 yards away from the blind. He truly surprised me on that retrieve when he came over a hill with the goose in his mouth. He wasn't even a year old at that time. Have you ever had to walk out several hundred yards to retrieve a bird? Trust me, I prefer the dog do it if it happens a couple of times during a hunt. How about having to deal with birds that land on the opposite side of a fence? Climb over or slide under, or just spread the fence a little and let the dog through?

Hounds have there place too. A lab will not come close to the tracking ability of a hound, or the pointing ability of a pointer. Yes, labs can be trained to track and point, but they just aren't that good at it. Another place labs are used is for drug sniffing by law enforcement.

[catdaddy]

bud i wasnt talkin bout watewr birds, id definatly get one for that iam talkin bout for qail and turkeys and doves like dryland things
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[fabsroman]

Yeah, if I did a lot of upland hunting, I would also own a German Shorthair pointer, but for the amount of upland I do, mostly over planted birds, my lab will do just fine. As far as hunting turkeys is concerned, I have never done it with a dog. Don't even know if you can use a dog to catch a turkey. Those suckers are real fast on their feet and they can fly pretty good. Not to mention that they can see really good too. Don't know how a dog would ever get close to them.

[catdaddy]

i read an articale in ffg and it showed one bout turkey dogs, well i think it did
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[Lilred]

Fabs,
there's alot of turkey dogs round these parts. A few breeders have crosses bird dogs with Plotts, brittanys and so forth. We can use dogs fer turkey in the fall and its a ton of fun. They dont catch a turkey...they can do several diff things. Some bust the flock on cue and "round" em back up and drive em to ya. Iffin a turkey aint pressured, he aint apt to fly so some breeders use dogs to smell em out, get upwind from em and wind em slowly back to the hunter. Iffin you ever seen a turkey dog workin 20 birds at once, you'll have a new appreciation fer the sport.

As fer as a hound goes, a hound is fer the chase. Ducks and birds dont give no chase....lol
Each breed has a given talent and dependin on what you want em to do the most, then git the appropriate breed of dog.
Tryin to make a blue tick point a quail is almost ludicrous.
And tryin to make a lab give a 4 hour chase bawlin every step of the way on a rabbit is just as ludicrous.
Beagles can run anywhere from 50$ to 200$ fer a pup. Some folks ask more than that but I wouldnt give that amount of money fer no beagle pup.

[houndsman]

get your self either a jag terrier or a patterdale they work great for getting coon and bobcats out of holes or any thing as that goes they are very gritty little dogs some people in wi use them on bear but don't know how they do it and southern parts of the us use them on wild hogs but yea i have seen them work and they are awsome little dogs for that kind of thing they also send them into old houses in the winter to get hibernating coon out also they are the toughest terriers out there the other ones don't hold a candle to these dogs