9mm Rifle

[dadsbuckshot]

I have a 9mm T/C contender carbine barrel. How well in your opinion would a 9mm work on small whitetail and coyote if I use the Buffalo Bore ammo. I know 9mm sounds like a odd calibur to hunt with, but I have seen people kill feral hogs with one and am wondering how well the rifle may work. I know Marlin also made a Camp 9mm rifle - if anyone has used one of these I would also like some input.

Thanks.

[rem 700]

9mm Luger? If so... Don't use it on wtails.

[dadsbuckshot]

Its not a Luger.

[BILLY D.]

well, if ya walked right up and stuck it in the deers ear it might? work. :eek:

that is not near enogh power as far as i'm concerned.

i think you should chec your state game regulations. they usually stipulate minimum caliber sizes. the smallest i have ever used on deer was a 357 rem max.

in my opinion you could load the rifle a little hotter than you can for the pistol round. the reason the pistol round is not loaded hotter is because of the case not being supported in the chamber.

somone with ipsc experience could help you in this matter. i have experience with 38 super but not the 9mm so i won't/can't give any load advice.

as far as bullets go, 147 grains is as high as i've seen them go, maybe some are heavier. on a good day you might get 1800>2000 fps velocity. that may be a bit rambunctious.

i would also use lead bullets. quick opening hollw points would not be my first choice. you need penetration, not a few inches of bloody meat. we want to harvest this animal and take it home, not chase it half way to north carolina before it dies.

talk to the folks you know that have harvested game with it and ask for their advice on loading.

good luck.

[dadsbuckshot]

Acouple of years ago Georgia did away with the minimum Cartridge requirement which was .357 Mag - so now people can use anything they want while hunting as long as it is .22 Centerfire and larger.

The Buffalo Bore Cartridge Company loads very hot loads for the 9mm so that is what I would be using.

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by dadsbuckshot
Acouple of years ago Georgia did away with the minimum Cartridge requirement which was .357 Mag - so now people can use anything they want while hunting as long as it is .22 Centerfire and larger.

The Buffalo Bore Cartridge Company loads very hot loads for the 9mm so that is what I would be using.


ok..........thats real nice, but are these rounds for killing people or for big game? there is a slight difference. especially when you throw yardage into the equation.

had a friend fo mine shoot a hog down in texas at close range, not a stopping shot and the hog got to him. by the time that pig got done with him he looked like a bad day at the butcher shop. took him quite a few months before he could walk again. his leg was cut from the ankle to his knee and he came very close to losing it. hogs can become very upset when only wounded.

[Aim to maim]

Originally posted by dadsbuckshot
Its not a Luger.

9mm luger refers to the type of cartridge, NOT to the manufacturer of the firearm or the cartridge in question. The terminology is used to differentiate the various TYPES of 9mm ammunition, like 300 Winchester magnum vs. 300 H&H magnum, or 7mm Mauser (7X57) vs. 7mm Remington magnum. Cartridge nomenclature can be very confusing to those who are not familiar with it (and those who are).

Having said all that, I do not feel any 9mm Luger (or 9mm parabellum, to use another term) is adequate for hunting whitetail deer, whether made by Buffalo Bore or anyone else.

[dadsbuckshot]

I know what Luger means and I know about what 9mm is usually used for in Public Safety considering I used to carry one on duty- my question is HAS anyone ever used the round in a rifle for hunting. I know plenty of police agencies using the 9mm rifles for people and to dispatch wounded animals, but as far as the civilian hunting spectrum goes - what all have you killed with a 9mm while hunting.

[rem 700]

What kind of 9mm rifle is it then? 9mm mauser, 9.3x62 etc...that would help outside of the generalization "9mm"

[Cobra]

Used a Marlin Model 9, which is a semi-auto rifle in 9mm Luger, for 'yotes in swamps and fairly thick cover for a couple of years. Did OK but never had a shot over 50yds (more like 20yds), the 'yotes did drop fast. Had a 1.5X scope on and grouped around 1 1/4" @ 100yds which was good enough and a bit surprising. Would not even consider using it on Deer, just not enough true stopping power. The Marlin is a nice, short and quick gun in those conditions.

[dadsbuckshot]

What kind of 9mm rifle is it then? 9mm mauser, 9.3x62 etc...that would help outside of the generalization "9mm"

The rifle is 9x19mm a.k.a 9mm Luger. Sorry REM 700 for the misunderstanding on my behalf.

[fabsroman]

Hey Dads,

Welcome to the board. I am assuming that most of the guys on here think you are a newbie to the hunting/gun scene if you are asking about hunting whitetails with a 9x19. I understand that you are not a novice, but I have only ever seen a single guy try to hunt deer with that round and we pretty much laughed at him all day, especially after he took 3 shots at a deer way too far away and only managed to scare it away from another hunter. Needless to say, he wasn't invited back the next year.

If you keep your shots very limited in range, I am sure the cartridge would get the job done on a broadside, perfectly placed shot. However, at that range you might want to think about using a bow or crossbow too.

Look at some reloading manuals and see how much energy the cartridge carries to certain distances, and then look at the recommended energy to kill a certain type of game. Most reloading manuals provide this information. My manuals are over my parents' house or I would provide you with the numbers myself.

[Rocky Raab]

Can't help but agree here. While I might be tempted to try a 9x19 carbine on a called-in coyote (just for the oddity of it), it would never get on my list for deer.

Would it kill one? Yup, but probably only if the deer were standing 25 feet away. From a treestand, with a walking deer, VERY close...maybe. But those are pretty restrictive conditions.

[8X56MS]

I would pass on this idea. I have never thought much of folks that use a marginal cartridge when hunting. Sure, it might work ok under ideal conditions, but in so many instances, the shot you are presented with is NOT ideal. Still, many people take the shot, and miss, or worse, wound an animal.
An ethical hunter always uses enough gun for the game, and general circumstances he will encounter.
For hunting whitetails, a 9X19 pistol round is not enough cartridge.

[HPBTMTCH]

I have shot a few deer with my 9mm glock, all were less than 25 yards, and the load was corbon`s +p+. The + p 9 carbine would be about 25 yards behind the .357 mag pistol. The 16 inch barreled carbine should gain about 150 fps over the 4 inch pistol, still a little slower than the mag, but closer. So shooting a deer at 25 yards with the 9mm carbine would be about the same as shooting one at 50 yards with the .357 magnum revolver and 50 would be 75 and so on. Like fabs and rocky say, Still a little marginal, but it would work with proper bullets and shot placement.

[Mickey Rat]

It is just a bad ideal. Don't even THINK about loading it hot for the rifle. You might get mixed up and use it in a pistol. Get a
30-30 barrel.

I have a Destroyer 9mm Bergman (9x23 case) rifle. It is a small mauser type action used in Spain by the police. I bought it after reading about it in one of the gun mags (Surplus Locker). The article mentioned his Spanish guide dropping a small deer with it without a problem, but I don't think I would try it. Mine uses the 9mm Bergman (9mm Largo) and will fire and extract 9x19 as lonf as it is brass cased. Steel cases won't extract, but drop out when the rifle is shaken.


I load 45-70 ammo for three different levels:
Trapdoor Springfield Light loads (nickel cases)
1895 Marlin Cowboy Heavy Loads (brass cases)
Siamese Mauser MAGNUM loads (458 WIN MAG w/spitzers)

The nickle cases are reserved for the Springfield.
The spitzers aren't used in tubular magazines.
If I put a spitzer in the Trapdoor, it will explode.