Anti-Hunting Stamps

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Not one to believe all I hear or read as true facts (always open to corrections, facts or opinions) I also read my NRA American Hunter issues (Everyone that hunts/fish or owns a firearm in America should belong to the NRA...the voice of the American gun owner)...But what I ran into is an article about the Humane Society and United States Postal Service putting out a HSUS stamp. This to me is illegal and discriminating use of and by the Postal Service to allow any special interest group to raise money to step on the toes of other special interest groups....such as the American gun owner.....I have contacted the USPS and voiced my concerns....what do others here at HC think of this stamp?....I also have spent lots of time searching different stamps from the post office and have as yet not found HSUS stamps unless it is not available yet...and should never be!.....Kill it before it grows.

[jon lynn]

If Mz Klinton gets the Democrat nomination, it would be a cinch!:(

But how could we stop this? Heck I was agenst the fat Elvis stamp.

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Yea the elections ..another spooky time..and what about the POW republican??Just as bad if not worse...
Contact the post service I guess...has to be some kind of discrimination suit if they allow a special interest group to profit and fund their cause....Maybe we will need a good lawyer!
As far as the fat Elvis....lmao....ok.... but even he was a famous person ...not a special interest group...but did he fund the HSUS or was any money from sale of the stamp used to fund the anti gun effort?..I don't know..if so...shouldn't have been a stamp either.....would have taken too much space on the envelope anyhow..lol.

[Valigator]

you make noise.... lots of noise, you express your outrage against this group and their tactics....and give examples....also site the fact they are too controversial a group to be considered....

[BILLY D.]

are they going to get a kick back from the stamps? i don't know if that is possible.

this may require some further investigation. i'm not sure i have ever heard that elvis or whoever represents him nowadays received any postal money.

[Valigator]

I just looked thru the United States Post office site and dont see any proposals for that stamp


http://www.usps.com/communications/news/stamps/2005/sr05_054.htm?from=bannercommunications&page=comstamps

but they have some good ones......

[skeeter@ccia.com]

This is the response I got from the United States Postal Service.


Thank you for contacting us regarding concerns with the United States Postal Service endorsing a particular group of stamps.

I do apologize for the problems you are having with some stamps that Zazzle has approved. There are rules and regulations that they are required to follow, and none of those rules have been broken. In fact, animals are the biggest item that these companies (Zazzle.com, Stamps.com, and Endicia.com) put on stamps. A Company logo is also not banned. And according to the law, advertising is not banned either. The law from 1872 that banned advertising on stamps was change, by Congress, in 2004. The change in this law is what has allowed personalized postage. And, as long as it's appropriate, anyone can have anything put on a stamp.

Zazzle and other vendors charge a lot more for these stamps than normal postage. It is from their profits, not the profits of the USPS, that the portion is being donated. We at the Postal Service do not regulate what they do with those profits. The USPS allows certain stamps to be a Semi-Postal stamp. Examples include:

Heroes of 2001
Breast Cancer Research
Stop Family Violence.
Of these a certain portion goes to support a specific charity. But these stamps are still only $0.07 extra per stamp as compared to about $0.50 extra per stamp through these other companies.

If you have issues with these stamps, you will need to speak with someone at Zazzle or take it up with your local congressman.

If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don't hesitate to contact me. Thank you for choosing the United States Postal Service.



Zazzle Responds to Sportman's Complaints
by Jim Shepherd, The Outdoor Wire
posted August 22, 2006

On Tuesday, August 15, The Outdoor Wire reported on a confrontation between Zazzle, an online marketer that sells customized postage stamps as an "official licensed vendor" for the U.S. Postal Service, and REACT Consulting Group of Olympia, Washington.

REACT boss Ed Owens wrote Postmaster General John Potter protesting Zazzle's acceptance of stamps that supported the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) while simultaneously rejecting a stamp that called sportsmen "America's first conservationists."

The reasoning behind the rejection was the reason Owens was so steamed.

The "Sportsmen" stamp was rejected due to a "Policy Violation" which "Incorporates material that is primarily partisan or political in nature."

How, Owens asked, could that message be primarily partisan when "Stopping Puppy Mills" or "Protect Michigan Mourning Doves" were not?

In his complaint, Owens not-too-gently reminded the Postmaster General that as an "official licensed vendor" Zazzle was obligated to make certain all standards were "absolutely uniformly applied to any and all submissions."

Instead, Owens observed, Zazzle didn't categorically define what constitutes an advocacy position for all ZAZZLE stamp creators, saying prohibited content would be decided at the "sole judgment and discretion" of ZAZZLE.

Owens, a member of Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation, Hunters Heritage Council and Washington State Bowhunter's Association, soon realized he had Zazzle squarely in his crosshairs.

So too, apparently, did Zazzle.

On August 17, Zazzle.com marketing director Michael Karns issued a letter that said: "Zazzle did not anticipate that some of the HSUS designs and the Dove designs would be controversial or could be seen as advocating a specific agenda. Over the past few weeks, we have concluded that the most prudent course of action is to remove the designs from our website, and to discontinue their sale as postage."

Karns' letter also says none of the postage value (the face value) of the stamps benefits any group or individual. That's true. The benefit to the group selling the postage comes from Zazzle's customization charges, not the postage itself. In what has become a raucous protest against Zazzle's stamp sales, it had apparently been misreported by some that a portion of the actual postage was being returned to the HSUS. That is not the case.

Postal authorities tell The Outdoor Wire that there were "thousands" of complaints which poured in following the reports on Zazzle. Those complaints came, in part, from our readers and members of the United States Sportsmen's Alliance. The USSA immediately alerted their membership to the story, calling for members to make their objections known to the United States Postal Service.

Those complaints were, apparently, heard.


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[BILLY D.]

well i guess grandpa was right. when ya stop learnin' ya might as well go lay down om the train tracks.

is there any way you can chose not to accept delivery? and return to sender.

[Valigator]

ah yes the power of noise and God Bless Ed Owens...