Ranting of an Infadel

[jon lynn]

I know I'm harping on this, but this really chaps my hide:

The cover of the Nov. 27th Stars & Stripes(European), a picture is showing a Turkish protest over the Popes visit to Turkey, (first sign of tolerance), then in the picture a woman holds a poster in english: "Jesus is not the son of God. He is a Prophet of Islam" (tolerance squared).

Just because of that poster, using their mentality, shouldn't we break out in to protest, storm the embassy and counsulates? Burn flags, and voice death threats, claiming "They must be punished for offending us!"

Naw.........we just sit back and take it up the wazooski, yet again, and respect the PEACEFUL and TOLERANT Muslem religon:mad:


ON ANOTHER NOTE............this Aljazeera news channel. They got a lot of people on staff, for example Riz Khan from CNN, David Frost from BBC, and a slew of non famous people I do recognise from US and European news stations.............they are reporting from the dark side. I sat to watch one afternoon, and boy was that a lopsided reporting system.
I always accused FOX of being only Republican, and CBS of being Democrat, but these guys are "Poor heros of the revolution" As in Detainees at Guantanimo.
Aljazeera is on the air world wide, spreading the word of anti-Western values, using bling (money hungry?) Western reporters, I fear we are going to be in for it soon.................:(

[scalerman]

One thing I have yet to hear from any of the "leadership" of the Muslim religion is a denouncement of all of the violence and bloodshed. If Islam is so peaceful then why isn't the leadership taking the stance that this is unacceptable behaviour? One can only conclude that this behaviour is acceptable and we can expect that it will continue for some time to come. I do know however that Jesus died for the Muslims as well and that more and more Muslims are coming to know Him as their Saviour. This is the answer that will bring all of this nonsense to an end.

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by scalerman
One thing I have yet to hear from any of the "leadership" of the Muslim religion is a denouncement of all of the violence and bloodshed. If Islam is so peaceful then why isn't the leadership taking the stance that this is unacceptable behaviour? One can only conclude that this behaviour is acceptable and we can expect that it will continue for some time to come. I do know however that Jesus died for the Muslims as well and that more and more Muslims are coming to know Him as their Saviour. This is the answer that will bring all of this nonsense to an end.

Unfortunately, what one hears said to the western press, and therefore, what is reported in our western news, by the ROP (Religion of Peace) leadership.... Is 180 degrees out from what is said by the same people on their own airwaves, and in their own press releases.

One only has to look at the dichotomy of their two actions, to see their true intentions.....and I'll give you a hint...It ain't very peaceful!

But the "Sheep" here, and abroad will listen...and believe them....untill it's too late. :mad:


And I hate to be the one who has to say this to ya scalerman, but.... They don't want to know your religious beliefs beyond, "Are you Muslim?" + "Will You convert or Die?" (Or die fighting back.)

Those are your choices...pick one. :confused:

I've made my choice. ;)

Tall Shadow

[L. Cooper]

Just want to point out that Christ is, in fact, one of the prophets of Islam.

[scalerman]

While the Islamic people may see Jesus as a prophet He was so much more. The Jewish religion recognizes that there was something special about Jesus as well. It is not until He is recognized for who He is and why His life and death and most significantly His ressurection are important to the entire human race that we will be able to have any realistic dialogue. This is my opinion, I know that it may not be popular with everyone but one of the great things about living where we do is that I am free to express my opinion. I know that there are still places on earth where I would be subject to death for expressing what I have just shared with you. Thank you for the freedom to do so.

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by scalerman
While the Islamic people may see Jesus as a prophet He was so much more. The Jewish religion recognizes that there was something special about Jesus as well. It is not until He is recognized for who He is and why His life and death and most significantly His ressurection are important to the entire human race that we will be able to have any realistic dialogue. This is my opinion, I know that it may not be popular with everyone but one of the great things about living where we do is that I am free to express my opinion. I know that there are still places on earth where I would be subject to death for expressing what I have just shared with you. Thank you for the freedom to do so.

I understand your comments scalerman, but what you are waiting for Will NEVER happen!

The "Religion of Peace" and it's followers, are not interested in tolerance, meeting Us "Half-way", or there being ANY other way/religion, but Their way/religion.

Thinking that there is somehow going to be a "Dialog" between "Us" and "Them", after they "see" their "Foolishness", or their misjudgment of Us...is foolish.

Tall Shadow

[denton]

No, Islam really IS the religion of peace.

If they get their way, the world will be converted and full of sheeple who don't dare question the authority of Islamic leaders. That will create a very peaceful, fully totalitarian world. It's just not a world that most of us want to live in.

The current war between Islam and the western world has nothing whatever to do with anything the western world has ever done. It has only to do with what very wicked leaders want, and can induce people to get for them.

[Valigator]

Thats why you do not let a Muslim into power here, its not like the old days when Mohammed Ali converted...we have to take a stand...you heard about the congressman wanting to be in with the Koran right? What crap....look I am trying my best to be a docile understanding unbiased human being...but the more I read about that the more I think their idiots.....and the more I think I have the right to dtand up and say no....but I wonder, I am nasty at times I dont look at the big picture...ask Fabs...I gotta temper on me that the devil cant compete with.....sometimes ya just gotta stand up and say no...but that is really what America is not about, we are suppose to be an example for the world, quite frankly, my temper wont let me be that....but I am not so sure I am doing the right thing....oh what a dilemmna...dont feel like spell checking...

[Tall Shadow]

Not to worry, Val! (I hope it's OK for me, to call you Val!?!?)

I think that your temper is not the problem here.

You (And I) are passionate about not only Your (Our) country, but those who are trying to defeat/destroy Her.....And those who would defend them & their actions doing so.

This country wasn't founded, fought for, and built by people who were afraid to fight, defend, and if necessary give their lives for it.

Sitting by and doing Nothing is the surest way to assure Our own defeat.

So, speak up! Tell Anyone & Everyone what you think is wrong with what is happening here, and around the world.....

Only through our action can we assure Our victory!

Just as:

Only through our inaction can we assure Our defeat!

Tall Shadow

[scalerman]

Even the Russians understood the American mind and said that they would never be foolish enough to attack the US from a military stand point but that if they could get enough people to buy into their agenda and support their ideaology that those who supported their views would by their inaction support the spread of the communist agenda. We need to reach out to the Muslims in our communities and show them that we are not vermin to be eradicated from the face of the earth but people who are as passionate about our freedom as they are about their religion.

[skeet]

Personally, and I am not a nice person at times, I don't think we need to reach out to these terrorists in the muslim religion. I feel that we should make it clear to the non-terrorist muslims that we will not go quietly into the dark and hide from their dastardly and inhumane deeds. We should make it clear to the peace loving muslims that it is in THEIR and the muslim world's best interest to stop the terrorists in the muslim religious world. THEY should do it. The only way to answer the terror that is perpetrated by the muslim extremists is to irradicate the ones who do not believe in peace. The bad part of that is that the peaceful peoples in the middle will usually be the ones to suffer. BUT I do not see them out there telling the extremists they are wrong. They support them through their inaction. In Iraq and elsewhere I think the military should go into each and every mosque and search it for terrorists, ammunition, explosives or anything that would or could be considered an aid to terrorists. If anything is found, the mosque should simply be destroyed along with the clerics who are suppoting terrorism. They certainly could NOT be considered to be a peace loving cleric. Support terror....and die!! Certainly that is what the terrorists in the muslim religion are doing to anyone they disagree with. They simply kill them...usually while hiding behind a mask!!

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Valigator
Thats why you do not let a Muslim into power here, its not like the old days when Mohammed Ali converted...we have to take a stand...you heard about the congressman wanting to be in with the Koran right? What crap....look I am trying my best to be a docile understanding unbiased human being...but the more I read about that the more I think their idiots.....and the more I think I have the right to dtand up and say no....but I wonder, I am nasty at times I dont look at the big picture...ask Fabs...I gotta temper on me that the devil cant compete with.....sometimes ya just gotta stand up and say no...but that is really what America is not about, we are suppose to be an example for the world, quite frankly, my temper wont let me be that....but I am not so sure I am doing the right thing....oh what a dilemmna...dont feel like spell checking...

Hey Val gal

Hark back a few months ago when this conflagration started and I was all for Israel and some folks poo pood my thoughts and opinions about islam? Well since that time we have seen Lebanon go down the crapper and Iraq will soon follow and how Jordan continues to survive I haven't figured out yet. As soon as Iraq goes Kuwait will be next. One thing Saddam did do was keep Iran and Syria in check. Since he's gone they are running amuck. Credit Syria with Lebanons downfall.

The minute we pull troops out of Afghanistan that one will be over also. And the leader of Pakistan I wouldn't trust any further than than I can pick him up and throw him. Kindly remember I'm still recovering from surgery and am restricted to 20# weight limit.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Israel is still trying to maintain it's little piece of dirt surrounded by these idiots as you so aptly call them.

Now if we could just get those dadgummed Jews to stop blowing up the Middle east all these troubles would end. NOT.

It's already to late to say NO here in the States, islum has a foothold and thanks to groups like aclu they will get stronger. And with 20 million new illegal voters the Dims will be in power to back these illegals and muslums. In the next 200 years the American face will be brown skinned and worship allah unless we extract our collective heads out of our anal orifices.

One more thing. It's 0300 and I'm tired. Being humble and docile is like consensus. Maggie Thatcher once said "consensus is the lack of leadership". Be humble and docile and your a$$ is gonna get run over by a frieght train called humble and docile.

Good night sweetheart, well it's time to go, old song from high school days. hope ya don't mind. ;)

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by scalerman Even the Russians understood the American mind and said that they would never be foolish enough to attack the US from a military stand point but that if they could get enough people to buy into their agenda and support their ideaology that those who supported their views would by their inaction support the spread of the communist agenda. We need to reach out to the Muslims in our communities and show them that we are not vermin to be eradicated from the face of the earth but people who are as passionate about our freedom as they are about their religion.

OK, I don't want to sound like a broken record....And I'm not trying to single out anyone, but maybe You guys just aren't "getting it"..........

So, let me say this once more......

The Islamic Terrorists DO NOT want to TALK About It!

They don't want to hear about Jesus, or how great he is. Or any other religion, for that matter.

They Don't care about Us wanting peace, or living in harmony with their fellow man.

They can not be negotiated with, "Talked Down", or wished away.

They are not just going to "Get it" one day, and go "Oh!, sorry! we thought that what we were doing was OK with the rest of the world! But since you guys don't like all of the dieing, beheading, and explosions & stuff...We're gonna' knock it off now."

These ignorant, savages will stop at nothing less than their vision of Total World Domination.

Does that sound crazy to you? Am I being over dramatic?

It shouldn't, and I'm not. Just listen to what they are saying in any mosque, or in any of their speeches on the subject.

The world has seen this kind of stuff before....Europe in the late 1930's........And been as lazy about "Doing" anything about it before it exploded into a World War..... The time is coming around again, my friends & countrymen.......best get prepared.

Tall Shadow

[scalerman]

I agree that Islamic terrorists don't want to talk about it, of that there is no doubt. The fact is that everyday more and more Muslims are becoming disillusioned with their religion and are looking for something more. They find it hard to believe in a God that tells them to kill everyone that does not believe as they do. The Bible says that it is the devil that comes to kill, steal and destroy. It also says that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers... against spiritual wickedness in high places. Our enemy is not Muslims it is the spirit behind the religion. Thank you for allowing me to share my opinion with you. I know that all will not necessarily agree with me. IMHO

[DogYeller]

Maybe there is hope.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=061201_Ne_A16_Local20348

I know Muslims will side with whoever they fear can do them the most harm. It's their religion that teaches them this.

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by DogYeller
Maybe there is hope.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=061201_Ne_A16_Local20348

I know Muslims will side with whoever they fear can do them the most harm. It's their religion that teaches them this.

Growing up, Working, and Living in metro Detroit, with the largest Arab population in the country.... I can assure you that the gentleman in the article you posted is not alone in his thinking. There are others who share his views.

However!

They are something like 1%-4% of the total Muslim population in the country. And ONLY <1% of the total World Muslim population. And they put their life in danger by just speaking out, as you see in the above news story.....I've seen it here...:(

They are not enough, not Nearly enough for any kind of change to take place, before some kind of >BIG< confrontation is going to happen.

scalerman:
The "Spirit" behind their religion....->IS<- the religion. Their religion, Your Religion.

And It's not that I disagree with you, I'd like nothing better than to have both sides sit down and work things out!

In modern, civilized society...We should always try this approach first. Like we did with Iraq.

But! We should also be just as willing/ready to go beyond idle talk.

Peace would be a great thing! Everyone getting along, live and let live..and all that. :)

I'm just to much a realest to think that it will EVER happen in real life.

But ->HERE<- We have that choice, because of the brave people who stand/have stood between Us, and those who would do us harm.

Well...we did...untill we gave the Terrorist's "buddies" control of our own government.


Tall Shadow

[DogYeller]

Tall Shadow, I agree with you. Personally I don't think anyone will ever be able to live side-by-side with Islam.

[jon lynn]

The fact that they are winning politicaly is a real crime. If the western media points out any bad (but true) points in the Islamic religion, they are targeted by fellow westerners, just to be politically correct!

Our out dated constitution is no help either, Freedom of religion and the seperation of church and state was based on the Henery VIII creating the Prodistent Church of England, and causing the split between Catholics & Prodistants, with a still on going rift in N.Ireland.

When the founding fathers included the Freedom of Religon, they met the within the different Christian religons. Does anyone think George Washington, Ben Franklin or John Handcock and the gang, intended Islam and Voo-Doo and Satanic based religon would be tolerated?

We give other religons more tolerance than Christianity. But if any US political figure brought this up, they would have their picture burned next to the Popes in every Islamic country in the world. We can't even have the Ten Commandments on display.

I saw on FOX News the Suprime Court may have to rule on Christmas Trees in schools!

We Americans, and Westerners have to treat our core values better. I think Australlia did it best, religon or not, if you can't obey the Aussy laws, get the heck out!

A lesson in Islamic tolerance..............In Saudi Arabia, in remote villages, the cleric enforces the law. One way for him to determine guilt is to have the accused LICK A LADEL THAT WAS BURNING IN AN OPEN FLAME PIT! Then he examines the blisters on the tounge. If the accused refuses to do the lick, he simply looses hands or his head. The TEST is not done to women. Big suprise.

And today on a English documentary, I saw a feature on Himmler (one of Hitlers top stooges) had a Muslem Regiment of SS formed from Bosnia. His thought on the matter,QUOTE:"....... nothing is better than a group of fighters who WANT to die for the cause of Allah. We can give them a cause!"

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by jon lynn
The fact that they are winning politicaly is a real crime. If the western media points out any bad (but true) points in the Islamic religion, they are targeted by fellow westerners, just to be politically correct!

This is Our Own fault. If we wouldn't stand for them trying to do this, it would stop.



Originally posted by jon lynn
Our out dated constitution is no help either, Freedom of religion and the seperation of church and state was based on the Henery VIII creating the Prodistent Church of England, and causing the split between Catholics & Prodistants, with a still on going rift in N.Ireland.

There is NOTHING wrong with the constitution!:mad:
And anyone who says so, doesn't understand how and why it was written like it is.......AND had best be prepared to fight Me and a bunch of others about trying to destroy/discard it.

It states: Freedom Of Religion, Not, Freedom From Religion!

This country, and the very men who conceived of It, and all of it's ideals, had Cristian values virtually intertwined throughout them. To deny this is to deny the very ideas/ideals that Made this country what it is.

And while I am not religious, or what you would call christian man. I do understand, and even admire the ideas/ideals that these men lived by....that many here, and across the country still do.....



Originally posted by jon lynn
When the founding fathers included the Freedom of Religon, they met the within the different Christian religons. Does anyone think George Washington, Ben Franklin or John Handcock and the gang, intended Islam and Voo-Doo and Satanic based religon would be tolerated?
We give other religons more tolerance than Christianity. But if any US political figure brought this up, they would have their picture burned next to the Popes in every Islamic country in the world. We can't even have the Ten Commandments on display.

Again, this is due to the inaction of "Us". This country is "Our's", not the government's, not the rest of the world's....Our's!

You want it, fight for it! Stop those who bring about this type of crap..."Fire" them, after all...They are working for "US"!



Originally posted by jon lynn
I saw on FOX News the Suprime Court may have to rule on Christmas Trees in schools!

See Above^^^^^


Originally posted by jon lynn
We Americans, and Westerners have to treat our core values better. I think Australlia did it best, religon or not, if you can't obey the Aussy laws, get the heck out!

I like this idea. You want to stay..cool!

Just follow the rules or GOODBYE! :)

Works for me......if we would only DO IT!


Originally posted by jon lynn
A lesson in Islamic tolerance..............In Saudi Arabia, in remote villages, the cleric enforces the law. One way for him to determine guilt is to have the accused LICK A LADEL THAT WAS BURNING IN AN OPEN FLAME PIT! Then he examines the blisters on the tounge. If the accused refuses to do the lick, he simply looses hands or his head. The TEST is not done to women. Big suprise.

I don't care (To a certain degree) what others do in their own country(s).....as long as it doesn't affect me or mine.


Originally posted by jon lynn
And today on a English documentary, I saw a feature on Himmler (one of Hitlers top stooges) had a Muslem Regiment of SS formed from Bosnia. His thought on the matter,QUOTE:"....... nothing is better than a group of fighters who WANT to die for the cause of Allah. We can give them a cause!"

I see much of history repeating itself......it's just like the late 1930's all over again......there is a "Madness" comming...and many, too many want to pretend it's not real........untill it's at their front door....


But!, We need to remember to keep our own humanity, while hunting the "beasts". Lest we become, that which we despise.



Tall Shadow

[scalerman]

I agree Tall Shadow that we must be willing to defend the freedoms that the Muslims living in our countries enjoy. We must not allow their religion or any other for that matter dictate to us what we can and cannot do. What we choose to do or not to do is however another matter. I think though that one of the things that we must begin to enforce is the fact that if you choose to act outside of what society considers to be within the bounds of the law then you must be prepared to face the consequenses. Freedom to do as one chooses is not freedom from consequences. I once heard it put this way "for every right that we enjoy there is an equal responsibility that goes with it". We can't forget that there are alot of graves all over the world full of people who were willing to lay down their lives for the freedoms we enjoy. I'm fairly certain that alot of those people would take it back if they could if they were to see what our countries are doing and allowing to go on.

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by scalerman
I agree Tall Shadow that we must be willing to defend the freedoms that the Muslims living in our countries enjoy. We must not allow their religion or any other for that matter dictate to us what we can and cannot do. What we choose to do or not to do is however another matter. I think though that one of the things that we must begin to enforce is the fact that if you choose to act outside of what society considers to be within the bounds of the law then you must be prepared to face the consequenses. Freedom to do as one chooses is not freedom from consequences. I once heard it put this way "for every right that we enjoy there is an equal responsibility that goes with it". We can't forget that there are alot of graves all over the world full of people who were willing to lay down their lives for the freedoms we enjoy. I'm fairly certain that alot of those people would take it back if they could if they were to see what our countries are doing and allowing to go on.

I couldn't have said it any better! :)

Tall Shadow

[scalerman]

Tall Shadow I also agree with you that religion is the Spirit that is the problem. Jesus did not come to give us religion. Religion is the adherance to a set of rules as laid out by men in response to a set of beliefs gleaned from some type of religious writing. The Jewish people in the time of the old testament had a very lengthy set of rules governing what they could and could not do. Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Jesus took the Law and broke it down to these two commandments " Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Now wouldn't life be grand if we all loved each other as our selves. Ah therein lies the problem- we do love each other as ourselves. Our education system tells us that we are nothing but an accident of evolution, that it is only the fittest that survive, there is only so much to go around- you better grab it while you can. This fosters a feeling of hopelessness. If I feel that there is no hope for me then I need to make sure that you feel there is no hope for you. It fosters a mindset that says I'm going to look out for number 1 and I don't care what happens to you. If we could understand what drove Jesus to die on the cross for our sins I think we would have a much different view of our selves. He asked God to release Him from His obligation of the cross three times but each time as soon as He asked to be released from that obligation He immediately followed with the statement "nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done". He resisted going to the cross so much that he sweat blood but still he said "nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done". Now that is loving others more than yourself. The Muslim people see Jesus as a prophet of Islam. Wait a minute now Jesus said he was the Son of God. Either this guy is loopy, lying or who he says He is. You cannot look at Him and say that we accept part of who He is and ignore the stuff we don't like. IMHO

[Tall Shadow]

Well scalerman, Who Jesus was, What he said, Who actually wrote the bible, and many..Many other questions about Him & Christianity, are something We could debate about for years.

The point is, We >Here< have the right (Freedom) to believe, or not, as We choose to, or not to.

And this is as it should be. Worship what/whomever your choice is... Jesus -to- Bananas, and/or everything inbetween..go for it!
But give others the same freedom.

Wherever fanatics/tyrants are in control, However, this basic freedom is absent.
Military, Religious, government..it doesn't matter...A fanatic/Tyrant is a Fanatic/Tyrant.

The Islamo-Fascists are of the same type. It is, literally, Their way or Death/Destruction!

Peace, Love, "Turning the other cheek", or the "Spreading the words of Jesus's Love" are NOT options with these monsters. This is the point I'm trying to get across.

While I understand that your view(s) provide at least one solution to the conflict, it is a futile effort on your part.

Please don't take this as an attack or disrespect to your beliefs, it's just that one would have a better chance to have a rock sing opera...or some other impossibility, than to hold a civilized conversation with fanatics.

My $.02

Tall Shadow

[PJgunner]

Originally posted by BILLY D.
Hey Val gal

Hark back a few months ago when this conflagration started and I was all for Israel and some folks poo pood my thoughts and opinions about islam? Well since that time we have seen Lebanon go down the crapper and Iraq will soon follow and how Jordan continues to survive I haven't figured out yet. As soon as Iraq goes Kuwait will be next. One thing Saddam did do was keep Iran and Syria in check. Since he's gone they are running amuck. Credit Syria with Lebanons downfall.

The minute we pull troops out of Afghanistan that one will be over also. And the leader of Pakistan I wouldn't trust any further than than I can pick him up and throw him. Kindly remember I'm still recovering from surgery and am restricted to 20# weight limit.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Israel is still trying to maintain it's little piece of dirt surrounded by these idiots as you so aptly call them.

Now if we could just get those dadgummed Jews to stop blowing up the Middle east all these troubles would end. NOT.

It's already to late to say NO here in the States, islum has a foothold and thanks to groups like aclu they will get stronger. And with 20 million new illegal voters the Dims will be in power to back these illegals and muslums. In the next 200 years the American face will be brown skinned and worship allah unless we extract our collective heads out of our anal orifices.

One more thing. It's 0300 and I'm tired. Being humble and docile is like consensus. Maggie Thatcher once said "consensus is the lack of leadership". Be humble and docile and your a$$ is gonna get run over by a frieght train called humble and docile.

Good night sweetheart, well it's time to go, old song from high school days. hope ya don't mind. ;)

I'm glad to see at least one persom sees the light. It's a damn shame that President Gerald Ford ordered all out neutron bombs destroyed, and act of TREASON in my book as we could now use them in the Middle East. For those who don't know what a neutron bomb was/is, it was a nuclear weapon that destroyed little property, but was very dirty and killed off the population. After a short period of time, the radiation level would drop enough that it would be safe to go in and take control of the area.
Add to that stupid mistake, Jimmie "Peanut farmer" Carter stopping the CIA from doing "wet work" by executive order. makes mw wonder whose side those to bumbling idiots were on?
OUr big problem in this country today is we no longer have the guts, or desire, to fight a proper war. To fight a proper war, one must have the desire to win. WEe lost in Korea. (I don't count a truce as a win.) Welost in Viet Nam, and we're losinf our ass in Iraq, all because the powers that be want to fight a "politically correct" war with no "collateral damage". can't happen, won't happen and too many American lives lost because of idiots pissing up a rope trying to be "nice" and not offend those who wish us dead. The should get their heads out of their asses and realize that out very existance offends them.
What will it take to wake America up? A nuke in New York or DC? Several nukes all at the same time over various parts of this country? There is something like 10,000 mosques here in the U.S. today. That's a sizable Muslim population embedded in the population. While most probably are "peacable", by their silence, they aid and abet the enemy. That makes them just as guilty in my book. The problem is what to do about it? They have their consitutionally gauranteed right to freedom of religion, but do they have the right to support terrerist in the name of their religion. Looks like a very serious catch-22 to me.
Paul B.

[scalerman]

Tall Shadow I am in no way offended by your comments. I would welcome the opportunity to debate The Bible and the related issues with you some time. This however is not the appropriate forum. I am not naive enough to believe that 100% of Muslims would convert to Christianity but my point is that there is a growing number that are seeing the error of fanatical Islam and are turning from Islam because of it. There once was an old man who went down the beach after a storm and was throwing the star-fish that were on the beach back into the water. This was a very long stretch of beach with thousands of star-fish washed up on it. A young man asked why he was bothering to do as the job would take a considerable amount of time and some would surely die before he got to the other end of the beach. The old man replied that while the job did look to be endless it made the difference between life and death to the ones that he was able to throw back into the water. The point is this, no we will never be able to change the minds of all the Muslim people, but as long as we can persuade some of them to change their minds then we need to take that route. I don't think that killing all of them is the right answer either.