270 Win load question

[GoodOlBoy]

Here I am yet again thinking about reloading my 270 and I have come to the conclussion that I need opinions and information.

I am looking at two bullet weights of the same bullet.

Nosler Ballistic Tip 130gr with a B.C. .433 an S.D. .242 and an OAL: 1.220"

OR

Nosler Ballistic Tip 140gr with a B.C. .456 an S.D. .261 and no OAL listed from my source.

I am considering using Hogdon's 4895, BUT I have also been told that Varget works very well in the 270. I am not a fan of H1000, and don't know much about the rest of the powders they list.

Assumeing I want to use the round from predator to whitetails (maybe even a mulie here and there) AND I would like to tailor it enough to be a nice paper puncher at longer ranges what ideas do you guys have? I am leaning towards going with the 130s, but am not positive, and am up in the air on powders. (Even suggesting another brand of powder that works good would be helpful)

Thanks

GoodOlBoy

[Rocky Raab]

For the critters you have down there in Texas, the 130 should be plenty.

In the .270, a somewhat slower powder will fill the case better and probably be more consistent-burning. The classic load is a case-full of H4831, and that's still a winner. You could go a notch faster and use RL-19, IMR 4831, or any of the 4350s, also.

While you can reach 3,000 fps with any of the slower powders, it really isn't necessary to strain things. With standard bullets, a more comfortable 2800 is extremely lethal, darn near as flat-shooting and easier on everything from the brass to your shoulder.

[GoodOlBoy]

Sounds interesting. The load source I have for H4831 says for a Barns - X bullet in 130 to start with 54 grains, for a Hornady Soft Point 130 start with 56 grain, but doesn't mention the 130 gr Nosler. Any idears?

I was leaning towards the 130 because most of the reviews I have read mention that the 130 tends to be a better performer accuracy wise in the older model remmy 700s like mine.

Also will there be much in the way of preformance difference between H4831 and H4831SC ?

Just wondering.

Anywho thanks Rocky.

GoodOlBoy

[Rocky Raab]

Barnes bullets are quite different, and require different load data. That's the reason for the loads you quote. The Barnes is a fabulous bullet, but may be more than you need. Try standard bullets first, and if they don't perform, move up to Barnes.

H4831ShortCut is the same ballistically as the standard H4831, but its shorter kernels take up less room. Load the same weight of each, and the SC will fill less of the case. That can help in cases like the 270, where the original powder sometimes ran out of room before it ran out of performance. If you load as far as the fence will stretch, the SC version will help. But if you don't push things, either will work fine.

Edit to add: Here's the NOSLER PAGE (http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=270cal) for the .270

[GoodOlBoy]

Thanks Rocky, the more ifno I get to digest the better. I like the idea of the SC version, particularly since I have been reading up on it in the iterim (sp?) Anyway. Unfortunantly yet again they don't give the load data for H4831 there, BUT I will ask around and see if anybody has a book that has it.

Any more info on the subject is GREATLY appreciated as well. I like to be as well informed as possible before starting the little projects.

GoodOlBoy

[Joe Boleo]

You guys were having what appeared to be a private conversation. I have been loading for the .270 Winchester since 1971. All of my rifles absolutely love IMR4350. Just the idle thoughts of an idle fellow. Take care...
Joe

[wrenchman]

my pet load is imr 4831 56grains with a winchester spear point i have shot a few dear with it thats about it.
I picked up the bullets in bulk at a gun show i still have rounds i made up 10 years ago.
I have a few rifels i hunt with and i dont youse it as much as i like and most the hunting i do is in shot gun only.

[BILLY D.]

Gob

From the Nosler manual.H4831, 52.5grs>56.5, using Fed 210 primers.

Howsome ever I wil interject one of my biases here. I wouldn't use Ballistic Tips on Deer unless you are shooting beyond 200 yds. Up here we call them pocorn bullets. At close range they blow up. If you are going to use 130 grainers use Partitions. Less meat damage, even at close range, and most times they exit. I have seen people maks a shoulder shot and ruin a lot of good meat with BT'S.

Just my 2¢.

Bill

[Jack]

My .02 would be a bit different than Billy's.
A friend of mine uses a 270 in Georgia, where the deer aren't real large- which I suspect is true in Texas, too.
His bullet of choice is a Nosler 130 Ballistic Tip, which has performed wonderfully- one shot, one deer- every time.
If you hit a shoulder with it, at close range, yes, you'll ruin some meat- but you'll get the deer.
The load that rifle uses is the 130 BT, Winchester cases, CCI 250 (magnum) primers, and AA 3100 powder. MV is 3050.
3100 is very similar to H4831, GOB. If you have some 4831, or can get some, that would be a fine powder choice.

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Jack
My .02 would be a bit different than Billy's.
A friend of mine uses a 270 in Georgia, where the deer aren't real large- which I suspect is true in Texas, too.
His bullet of choice is a Nosler 130 Ballistic Tip, which has performed wonderfully- one shot, one deer- every time.
If you hit a shoulder with it, at close range, yes, you'll ruin some meat- but you'll get the deer.
The load that rifle uses is the 130 BT, Winchester cases, CCI 250 (magnum) primers, and AA 3100 powder. MV is 3050.
3100 is very similar to H4831, GOB. If you have some 4831, or can get some, that would be a fine powder choice.

Jack

I'll stick to the Partitions and X Bullets thankyouverymuch.

Bill

[L. Cooper]

Loaded for m .270 for a long time. I have decided that the 130 grain Ballistic Tips are too frangible, but the 150 grain BT is just about perfect for Sask. white tails.

Tried Barnes bullets and couldn't get them to group well, but the very best shooter in my rifle is the 150 grain Partition over H4831.

Since I have never had any complaint about that bullet's performance on anything I shot with it, and since there is so little practical difference in trajectory between it and the 130's out to over 350 yards (have a close look at some charts), and since it actually delivers more energy at long range, that's the load I use almost always. I can even take it as a backup to the .300 Win when we go after elk and moose and feel quite content.

[scalerman]

My favourite load for my 270 is Sierra's 140 gr BTHP with 55 grains of IMR4831. I've shot whitetails, mulies and elk with that load. 1 shot 1 kill every time.

[Ol` Joe]

I used a 270 on Caribou with a favorite load of the Hornady 130 gr SP inter-lok and R22. I dropped 2 boo, one took a broadside that clipped a rib going in and took a piece of off side shoulder blade exiting and the other animal I hit through the ribs, and because he stood dead on his feet faceing me, put a second bullet throught the neck severing the spine at the hump. All shots were from ~ 100yd - 150yd and all bullets passed through. A buddy of mine took only his bow and on the last day of the hunt borrowed my rifle and dropped a boo with two quick rounds through the ribs, again all exited at around 75 yds.
Velocity in my rifle ran around 3000 fps with a 24" BBL and accuracy was under 1 moa. I presently have another 270 Win with a 26" LW barrel that also likes this load. There are a bullet or two that are a hair more accurate, but as far as accuracy and velocity go R22 still does very well. The Hornady bullet is geat for deer, and I found it exellent on caribou, fast opening and it penitrates very well for a inexpensive choice. ( all boo were, I`d guess, about 275 lbs live. Average mature animals)

[Dom]

I push the 150 Nosler Partitions with H4350 and never looked back, never needed to. Back when I worked my loads Barnes wouldn't group for me either, FWIW, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

[GoodOlBoy]

As an FYI the newer BT dont have the detonation on impact problem the thinner jacketed originals did. Also if I am planning to shoot at less than 200 yards I will be using something other than a scoped 270 (like a nonscoped 30-30) This rifle I am getting ready for west Texas and other long range hunts.

Thanks for the info guys.

Looks like it will most likely be the 130gr BTs with H4831SC. Have not decided on the primer will probably be whichever I can get easy around here.

GoodOlBoy

[Rocky Raab]

Yup, you shouldn't absolutely need a magnum primer, but if you can't find any standard-strength ones, then ANY primer'll do.

[Freebore]

I have found that the 140 grain Hornady over RL-22 w/mag primer is absolutely devistating at any range on deer from Sask. to Tex., black bear and caribou too. I would love to try it on elk someday. I shoot a Winchester. FWIW

[284NUT]

GoodOlBoy

I wouldn't give up on your idea to use H4895.Darn good powder in the 270.That and 4064 in the 270 will fall just a tad shy of the slower powders in the velocity department but both deliver top accuracy.2900+ is easy to attain.

H4895 is my go to powder in my hunter silohouette rifle.That's out to 500 meters and I buy it in the 8 pound jugs.

Don't sell it short. Give it a try. JMHO