Wyoming Sniper kills wife and self

[fabsroman]

You Wyoming guys have probably already heard about this since it involved a large man hunt. Anyway, here is the link:

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/man-accused-of-shooting-wife-kills-self/20070715145509990001

[GoodOlBoy]

I hate to sound like the resident consipiracy goober, but do any of you REALLY believe this malarky? Kills his wife at 100 yards, then shoots HIMSELF in the chest? If he was a sharpshooter why only hit her from 100 yards out? why not give yourself some distance? Then to off yourself by shooting yourself in the chest? Come on. The head mighta been believable but this whole story stinks to high heaven.

My 2 cents.

GoodOlBoy

[Skinny Shooter]

GOB, never thought of you as a goober. :) :D

[Dan Morris]

Originally posted by GoodOlBoy
I hate to sound like the resident consipiracy goober, but do any of you REALLY believe this malarky? Kills his wife at 100 yards, then shoots HIMSELF in the chest? If he was a sharpshooter why only hit her from 100 yards out? why not give yourself some distance? Then to off yourself by shooting yourself in the chest? Come on. The head mighta been believable but this whole story stinks to high heaven.

My 2 cents.

GoodOlBoy

Plus, that 257WBY will blow up on the skin at point blank rage.......does internal damage but no real penetration....
Dan

I've done a numer of close neck shots.....less than 1/2 pennetration!

[Aim to maim]

Originally posted by GoodOlBoy
I hate to sound like the resident consipiracy goober, but do any of you REALLY believe this malarky? Kills his wife at 100 yards, then shoots HIMSELF in the chest? If he was a sharpshooter why only hit her from 100 yards out? why not give yourself some distance? Then to off yourself by shooting yourself in the chest? Come on. The head mighta been believable but this whole story stinks to high heaven.

My 2 cents.

GoodOlBoy
So what is your alternate hypothesis as to what REALLY happened?

[TheeBadOne]

A few points:

-lots of gunshot suicides are to abdomen/chest, not head

-a contact shot with any rifle inflicts a horrendous injury unlike a handgun/shotgun. It's all about the gas pressure. A 30-30 placed under a chin can remove the entire head from the lower jawbone/ears up...

[fabsroman]

I just figured out that I couldn't commit suicide with my Benelli SBE shotgun unless I have a stick. I cannot put that gun to my chest and reach the trigger. Of course, it does have a 28 inch barrel and it is an auto. Rifles might be a different matter.

[TheeBadOne]

Stick, pencil, toe, arm/hand, it can/has all been done.

[GoodOlBoy]

TBO. You have killed your wife. You are in a hurry to die because the cops are getting close and you (a trained marine) can't/won't hold them off. Instead of grabbing your pistol (Yes reports said he also had a pistol) and shooting yourself you shoot yourself in the chest with a rifle. . . . . . . THINK ABOUT IT.

I don't know what the REAL version of the story is, but I would bet the shirt off my back THIS AINT IT.

HAD he placed it under his chin TBO then YES I would have thought maybe, just maybe this might not be complete BS. He DIDN"T He shot himself in the chest with a rifle. WHY? He has a handgun at hand and even if he wants to off himself with the same gun he offed his wife with for some messed up mental reason WHY the chest? Hell being a trained marine he would have known he could have even caught the artery in the leg, or blown off a foot and bled out. With a pistol at hand, and so many other ways to off himself he picks the hardest one to do quickly? BS. AND since there has been no mention of NO stick pencil etc AND he had his boots/shoes on (that much I saw from the photos of them disembarking the chopper with the body) that means he had to have held it at arms length and pushed the trigger, OR placed the butt on the floor and pushed the trigger with his chest into the muzzle. I don't know if they found him with the gun in hand, but if he held it out and tried it even if he suceeded the gun would be across the room from the recoil.

Like I said this whole thing stinks of BS to me. But what do I know. I am sure in a few days the "facts" of how he managed to rig it will come out and it will be just another sad sad story.

GoodOlBoy

[Aim to maim]

Originally posted by GoodOlBoy
TBO. You have killed your wife. You are in a hurry to die because the cops are getting close and you (a trained marine) can't/won't hold them off.

Hell being a trained marine he would have known he could have even caught the artery in the leg, or blown off a foot and bled out.
GoodOlBoy

The rest of your post can stand or fall on its own merits, but whatever else the deceased suspect may have been, he was not a Marine, trained or otherwise.

[TheeBadOne]

GoodOlBoy how many firearm suicide scenes have you been too (either straight suicide or murder/suicide)?

[GoodOlBoy]

Been to? NONE. Done the video transcription, from VHS to DVD for my department, or the city, or the county, or the Rangers? Or have scanned in, and or convereted pictures to digital for the same groups? around 43 in the last two years.

My appologies on the Marine thing you are correct. I misremembered.



Munis has been a member of the Wyoming Army National Guard since 2003, previously in the U.S. Army and was a 2001 graduate of the Army Sniper School at Ft. Benning, Ga., according to the National Guard.



I am sure an army trained sniper would not have known that information.

GoodOlBoy

[TheeBadOne]

GoodOlBoy it looks like you are trying to apply "logical" thought process to suicide.
You should be aware that suicide is not a logical thought process.

[GoodOlBoy]

TBO I know that is normally true. However we aren't talking about a normal murder/suicide as things may go.

Anyway

I'm done.

GoodOlBoy