No more gun sales in Pa.

[Classicvette63]

From Sept. 2nd to the 6th. What the **** is this? They have to suspend gun sales so they can shut down the instant background check systen to upgrade it. If they can't upgrade the system while keeping it running, that's too freaking bad. Could you imagine suspending all auto sales for 4 days while penndot upgraded their system?

The jerks behind this, including, but not limited to, the Pa State police, Govenor Ed Rendel and the legislature deserve every bad thing that comes to them. Bunch of frigging crooks, liars and thieves.

[skeeter@ccia.com]

I don't know..there are times in these hi-tech days that computers go down....I use to own a store a few years ago and had to contend with that problem quite often....what a PIA it was...but it does seem like something is up here.....a while ago the system in pa would go down every time there was a gun show on a weekend...the gun shops were up in arms..everyone I knew called the state police, reps etc only to find out someone at the instant check station kept flipping the shutdown switch....that person as we were told had been removed from anything to do with the instant check...I have a few gun bashes soon and one this Saturday....probably that time of year for these things and a reason to close the system down for a few days....never know...maybe they are putting in all brand new computers?....I don't know how it works there....

..I hear there is to be a shortage of 223 ammo.....anyone hear about that??????....I know it is a military round but the military has it's own manufacturer ...why would there be a shortage elsewhere?

[Rocky Raab]

There is a shortage of .223 ammo, and there may well be one for two years or so.

There's only one military ammo plant left (Lake City) thanks to our friend Mr Bill. They assemble the ammo, but they do not make cases, powder, primers or bullets from scratch. They buy them.

They've ramped up their production from something like 500 million rounds a year to four BILLION rounds. Needless to say, that pretty much wipes out any supply going to civilian ammo.

That also explains the primer shortage, btw.

Added: we aren't the only ones in the lurch. Police departments simply cannot get ammo for any kind of practice or even annual quals. That includes pistol ammo.

[skeet]

Sportsmans warehouse had plenty of 223 ammo. Price IS up though. BTW the price of lead is coming down finally so shot and bullet prices "should" fall a bit. I just bought 1/2 million CCI small and large primers both rifle and pistol....and the price really wasn't too bad. about 350,000 are already gone too.

[petey]

I heard that on the radio this morning on my way to work and just shook my head.

Being an IT guy one word comes to mind: Redundancy

I would think ALL of our State systems should have redundancy especially something as cruicial as a gun background check. If the primary fails or goes down, the redundancy (secondary system) should pick up and never skip a beat.

They SHOULD already have this in place! DUH... we must have a bunch of morons running the IT department down there.

Take down the primary, upgrade it while the secondary takes over with no down time. Flip the switch with the new upgrades and then upgrade the secodary system.

Basic IT stuff that should already be in place on such a system. Where in the hell is my Tax dollars going? Maybe we don't have people smart enough to think of such things.? Makes me wonder about the systems that have my personal information on it. If they can't even get this simple concept down, I wonder how secure the other systems are?? Probably not very at all....

[Rapier]

It is interesting that the DOD can not buy ammo on an annual basis in sufficent quanity to prevent a market shutdown every few years. Of course I suspect no one gives a damn in the chain. As long as the contract can be met, who cares that the civies go without.

But, on the otherhand, if one GI needs anything I have, he or she is welcome to it.:D
Ed

[Rocky Raab]

Rapier, my friend, common sense does not apply to the government budget and procurement system. In fact, common sense is probably forbidden by law.

[Skinny Shooter]

And that's what stinks about our insta-check system.
PSP likes it because they get to keep an illegal database of all gun purchases. :rolleyes: Go here for more info: http://www.acslpa.org/n-register/n-registration.html
Sorry Classic, don't mean to hijack the thread.

I liked it better when I could show a CCW which provided immediate approval and walk out the door with a gun.

What a convenient way for the governor (who is no friend of the 2nd amend) to enact an illegal type of new orleans-style of gun confiscation at any time. Only this time you can't buy any new guns.
So if we ever have some kind of "emergency" here in the state, the computers just might "crash".

:mad: