Ban Ammo to save the Condor!

[petey]

You guys in California have some messed up legislation if this gets passed

http://www.ussportsmen.org/Read.cfm?ID=2111

Everyone should be a member of The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance. I get their newsletters which helps me stay on top of the events that occur in the U.S. when it comes to anti-hunting and gun-banning movements. Some of the stuff you read is scary and is happening every day in your local offices (right under your noses) Thank God there's organizations like this out there that fight all this BS.

Here's some other links from today's newsletter.

http://www.ussportsmen.org/Read.cfm?ID=2112 - lots of stuff going on in California

http://www.ussportsmen.org/Read1.cfm?ID=2114&programdocs=AH - bill signed to strip IL DNR from managing deer herd

[Dan Morris]

Kalifornia is scarey...period. Hey petey, we have about 300k kali
refugees in denver....you want a few of em?????????????
Dan

[petey]

Ehhh Whapooooooooo......eere come da guns!

Heffeh..old yer hat in da air...higher, higher.....

dats close enough.

(from the 3 Amigos)

naw, you can keep them Dan. We get enough coming from D.C. and the likes of. Our major problem, at the moment, is the onslaught of drug dealers coming from Detriot, believe it or not.

[fabsroman]

Yeah, in law school I quickly found out that California law is utterly nuts compared to the rest of the nation. I just do not understand why this is.

[captain2k_ca]

To many Tofu Farting Liberal whackos!!

[mrmiskin]

What, if any, evidence has been presented to back the claim that lead is killing condors or is this just a rounabout way of trying to take another option away from California hunters?? I think that the one thing you have going for you is a level headed governor. When he was first elected I think California was on the brink of disaster if the news reports were correct. No water, no electricity, and there was no way that another hollywood actor was going to fix it. Since then i have not heard much if anything at all. In my eyes no reports from the liberal press means the man is doing a good job. I must admit I dont follow events going on in California that closely but I think he has surprised a few people.

[kt]

i personally, as some one who has spent too much time reading about condors am tired of the whole thing.. from what i have read, plain and simple this is a bird that is 300 yrs living beyond its extinction, not that i want to see it go, i love ornithology in general, , the species in general is troubled
kt
who understands california

[jon lynn]

NOW, just to help out, we can have Arnie ban cars & trucks, that deliver Chinese toys. Some poor condor just flying around looking for lead-bullets, might stop to play with the toxic Fisher-over-priced toys tossed along side the road.

To Kaliphornians, I say DEFECT! Come to the Top-49! You might even get away with speaking english at gas stations and 7-11's.

[8X56MS]

would not surprise me for some brave lad to just kill off the Condors. End of problem.

[fabsroman]

Let's not even suggest such a thing. Furthermore, that wouldn't be a brave lad, but a stupid lad. Me, I enjoyed seeing the Condors at the Grand Canyon when I visited there a little over 2 years ago, and I want them to be there when my 4 month old daughter is old enough to be able to appreciate them.

Why not exterminate all the whitetails because of all the accidents they cause? Might want to exterminate a couple more species while we are at it.

The problem isn't with the Condors, but with moronic politicians.

The next thing we are going to have to debate is the requirement that non-toxic shot be used on waterfowl. At first, I am sure that plenty of people thought it was a stupid law, but I have read studies that have been done of lead poisoning on ducks and have even read that some of the ducks autopsied (sp.) came back with lead pellets in their gizzard/gullet which probably isn't a good thing. So, in the end it is more expensive for us to hunt waterfowl, but we can still hunt them. Now, if lead bullets are really outlawed in the Condor range, will it really be that hard to find a non lead bullet that will do the trick (e.g., XLC, X bullet, VLC).

[Calif Hunter]

I just hope they make an exception for rimfire ammo. Imagine how much a brick of .22s will cost if they have to start making them with all copper (or other lead-free) bullets?

The Dept. of Fish and Game asked people to start burying the gut piles, but I am not sure how many hunters complied with that request. Then they even gave out ammo and/or coupons for discounts on lead-free ammo. Sometimes, we bring trouble onto ourselves, like the slob shooters who leave trash, appliances and old cars out at every area to shoot in the BLM lands...and wonder why those areas end up closed to recreational shooting? :mad:

The scientific evidence has been inclusive about the lead posioning problem with condors and other meat-eating birds. However, the voters will tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to nature.

[Rapier]

Hey 8x56,
Nice flag........ not many know the orign of the Bonnie Blue.

Fabs,
With regards to CA law, you only have to know that it is legal in CA to sue yourself for neglegance, to know CA is totally screwed.
Ed

[fabsroman]

Ed,

Are you serious that you can sue yourself for your own negligence in California? If that is true, that is completely screwed up. Essentially, people just aren't responsible for their own actions then. What the heck is this philosophy used for anyway? Is it so that injured people can get judgments against insurance companies? Last I checked, there was something called health insurance to cover our own negligence.

[Rapier]

Fabs,
Thought that might get your attention.... I am an insurance broker. My office staff wrote insurance on a young archetect here in FL. He moved to CA with his turbo, Carerra, wife and young daughter.

One day, he decided to pass a slow car on a hill, wham, headon by truck coming in opposite direction. Wife dies, child is injured. He sues himself on behalf of the child, sues himself on behalf of the wife, claiming he was neglegent in the death of his wife and injury to child.

Company said this has got to be a joke. Nope, constitutonal attorney in CA said it was perfectly legal under CA law. Company tried to fight it, ended up paying $500K. I just shake my head every time I think about it. But, yes, it is a method to fleese the insurance companies.
Ed

[Dan Morris]

Seriously, as California has a long mining history, has any one ever searched out the amount of lead contaminants leeching out
of old mines and tailing's?
Dan

[fabsroman]

Ed,

That isn't completely unheard of. Maryland used to have a statute that prevented a minor child from suing a parent as a result of a car crash. However, they changed that law several years ago and made it that a child could sue a parent for a maximum amount of $25,000 as a result of a car accident. That amount might have changed, but I haven't had the need to look it up recently.

Suing a spouse or parent for being negligent behind the wheel makes some sense. In Maryland, funds recovered for a personal injury action are not considered marital assets, so the wife, had she lived, would have been able to divorce that moron and take the money with her. The money that the daughter received would have gone to a trust account for the benefit of the daughter and the father would have to petition the Court every time he wanted to take money out of the trust fund. As far as him being the beneficiary under his wife's estate, that would make me sick. However, I know there is a rule that you cannot inherit under an estate if you had something to do with the death of the person, so maybe the money went elsewhere. Hopefully, he feels bad enough and God is punishing him by leaving him alive. Something also tells me that he suffered pretty severe injuries too.

[Rapier]

Fabs,
As you know, life just does not end up, happy ever after. The sucker had a bruise on his forehead, not a scratch otherwise. He had apparently swerved to the left and the right front quarter took the impact.

This deal did not go to court. The company settled outside the court room door, just prior to trial. They knew it was like shooting fish in a barrel. "Mr Defendant were you neglegent in the accident, yes I was." TIMBER.

I gave you the A-Z in 3 seconds. It actually was a bit more involved and in the end, he effectivly ended up with the money. Perhaps the illgotten gains have corrupted his existance.... one can only hope.
Ed

[fabsroman]

Those are the people you want to hurt. What amazes me is the number of stupid people that have tons of money, and enough money to get themselves into plenty of trouble. Utterly amazing.

According to Maryland law, one third of the wife's estate would have gone to the child in trust if the child is a minor. Hopefully, the child got plenty of money out of this disaster and hopefully she will know how to use it better than her dad.

[DON WALKUP]

i have been a resident of the PRK most of my life; in the san diego area before i retired and moved north.

the state legislature is obsessed with anti-gun legislation. every session there are numerous firearms/ammunition laws introduced/proposed.

their prime concern is the gang-related firearms activities. which is understandable, however...they take the approach of "the floggings will continue until moral improves" a-la-british navy.

the citizens of kaliphornia do not realize how close we are to being openly declared as a "police" state.

like our congress, the kaliphornia state legislature is strangled by dumbacrats and i do believe there are only a few that are really worth their salt.

bring up the state legislatures website and look at their voting record when it comes to anti-firearm proposals. it's stunning! (and i don't mean in a good way)

their anti-gun stance is one of the reasons my wife and i are looking to relocate to arizona soon.

[muledeer]

You might want to consider Reno. Gun friendly and no state income tax:D
I moved from Southern Kalif in 1974.
muledeer