Are there any 12 gauge hadguns?

[Minihuntur]

Just wondering. Do any of you know of any hanguns chambered for 12 gauge shotgun.
Minihuntur

[skeet]

Wouldn't be too much fun shooting it anyway. I do however have a T-C Contender with a 28 ga custom bbl. Shoots ok too. But it does let ya know ya touched her off. I do have a 12 ga double that had been cut off to 12-13 inches. Nice gun too. It is a Baker Sidelock with ejectors. Wood is good and it shot just fine till I mashed the bbls so they couldn't be shot. Was considering haveing the bbls replaced in the monoblock...till I figured out the cost! WOW...even doing it myself!!:eek: Kicked pretty bad unless you were expecting it:D

[Adam Helmer]

skeet,

I was going to say that...LOL.

Minihuntur,

Good question; why do you ask? Are you looking for a 12 gauge handgun? I doubt you would want to fire such an arm twice! I am sure there are sawed-off 12 gauge single and double guns around the country. Keep in mind that a shotgun barrel shorter than 18 inches is a "Firearm" under the 1938 National Firearms Act and subject to registration with the Treasury Department and a $200 transfer tax stamp.

If someone saws off a shotgun barrel on their own, that is a 10-year felony if convicted.

Adam

[gumpokc]

Last ones that i heard of were down in mexico.
replicas of the "mad-max" 12 guage, but they normally use a special 12guage short shell, to limit how bad it kicks for one handed use.

[skeet]

Ya know, I fergot 'bout them guns made in Mex land. I even have some ammo for one of them. Little short shotgun shells with 'bout a 1/2-5/8 oz of shot or so. Plastic cases, too.

[gumpokc]

Nods skeet, i think thats the ones, if i remember correctly they are made by aguilia (spelling?)

[skeet]

That company is related to Remington in some manner. I once had a few cases of 20 ga shells in Rem boxes that were made in Mex land. Most of 'em even went off:D I even hit something with most of 'em too:D :eek: They also at one time made loaded ammo for the 44 auto mag. Was so much easier than makin cases for that gun. Also still glad it was sold. Finicky gun for certain.

[GoodOlBoy]

http://www.aguilaammo.com/

You would know they are redesigning their website right now.

A 12 guage cut down would be heck on the wrists, but it would be heck on the other end too.

BTW for the shotgun/pistol cross enthusiasts don't forget the lemat revolver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeMat_Revolver

GoodOlBoy

[skeet]

I think they were mostly 20 ga center bbls..if I remember my learning right. I had one(original) in my hands one time and iIam certain it was 20 ga approx bore. Kind of ugly gun anyway;)

[GoodOlBoy]

Yep every one I have seen was a 20, don't know why the article says 16. . . . . what do i know anyway :p

GoodOlBoy

[skeet]

don't know Jack. We knows they were 20's:eek: :D :D

[gumpokc]

I agree, i think the lamats were 20ga, and 9 shot 32 was it not??
originally designed for horse cavalry if i remember correctly.

nevermind looked it up, says it was .40cal, and the centershot is .63 cal, so whatever gauge that corrisponds too

[skeet]

I know there was more than one multi shot gun out there. There was a Walch 12 shot Navy pistol 36 cal. I had all kinds of guns at one time or another. Who can name the first pump action cartridge repeating shotgun on the market?? What was the first US made Military rifle? What was the first practical breechloading rifle made in any quantity? Who invented it and approx when?

[gumpokc]

ok these are just wild guesses without looking it up.

#1 marlin?
#2 harkers ferry rifle??
#3 spencer?
#4 who--dont remember...mr. spencer??? :P
#5 late 1850's? civil war period.

[skeet]

The first practical breechloading rifle was the Ferguson invented by a Major (Patrick??) Ferguson who was killed at the Battle of Kings Mountain in Georgia during the Revolutionary war. He was of course British and the rifle was a revolution in itself. The stodgy British military Hierarchy of course disdained a rifle that could be fired every 10 seconds and lost the revolution. The rest I will leave to be answered.:D

[Adam Helmer]

skeet,


The Battle of Kings Mountain, South Carolina occured on 7 October 1780.

I believe the first US made military arm was a copy of the French Charleville .69 caliber at Springfield Armory. I believe the first breechloading rifle made in quantity was the U.S. Hall Rifle in 1816 at Harper's Ferry Armory, (Page 20, W. H. B. Smith's, "Small Arms of The World.") Thus, the US became the first nation to adopt a breechloader as a military firearm.

Adam

[skeet]

The Hall was the first US made military RIFLE. Sorry about the Georgia thing Adam. I bought a Hall Rifle at an auction quite a few years ago. Exc condition and even had the issue bayonet. There were 2 of them at that auction and the 2nd without the bayonet brought 400 bucks. I shoulda bought it too. The other I got for 650 bucks. Made a ton on that rifle. I went there to buy an 86 Winchester and ended up not getting it cause I bought so many guns before it. Now what was the first practical pump shotgun y'all??:D

[Adam Helmer]

skeet,

No problem on the location of Kings Mountain; it is near the Georgia border.

Wow! You had a Hall rifle. I would have kept that treasure, if at all possible. I saw one at as museum a long time ago that was behind the glass.

Skeet, your excellent gun questions cause reflective thinking. Now, I gotta go hit the books because you know your guns. Be well.

Adam

[skeet]

I've had a lot of guns that I wish I could have kept. Had a Winchester M-21 one of the original 410's(of 73) Wanted to keep it but I made 11000 bucks on it. Was trying to get the farm back east paid for so that took a very large chunk out of the mortgage. One of the guns I really wanted to keep was a 5 gun skeet set of Win m-12's and the 42 of course. All made for one man way back yonder. His son traded them to me even up for a matched pair of 1100 Remingtons...back in 1969. They paid a lot on the mortgage too. Most of the martial guns I've had went to pay the mortgage too. Only two left. plus a barreled action. 1903A3 with milled guard bent swept bolt. Sniper version. Was given to me by a WWII marine fighter pilot...just before he died. He told me he got it from a mud marine in the South Pacific... late 1944 early 45. Not sure it has ever been shot. Wish I had the stock too. Don't know what he did with it. Wasn't in all his shootin stuff when he died. I sold it all for his widow. I do wish I had kept that Hall though. Really unique piece and all original with bayonet. Only reason I haven't sold the Ithaca NID 28 ga in grade 4E is cause the mortgae is paid!! :D :cool: They only made 7 of them. And I really lucked into that one.

[gumpokc]

OK adam reminded me of what i goofed, i was tryign to think of the harpers ferry rifle, not harker...could the Hall have had tha moniker as well?