ammo tax

[skeeter@ccia.com]

I hear that in Pa. they want to add the $.5 for each round of ammo purchased...I know they tried this out in California but I don't think that went over well...not sure...but is this just old news gettin around the table again or is it new in the makings from our goober Randell?

[Valigator]

Actually if memory serves me...Obama made a statement to the effect, that he wouldnt ban guns, but he would tax them out of our hands...I'll see if I can find that speech:mad:

[Valigator]

Every president-elect vets his incoming staff and usually that vetting begins with a lengthy questionnaire. But one question asked on Barack Obama's questionnaire is raising hackles among gun owners and fans of the Second Amendment. Question No. 59 begins: "Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun?"

The questionnaire goes on to insist that a gun-owning jobseeker "provide complete ownership and registration information," and asks: "Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."

South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim DeMint believes the incoming administration is biased against gun owners in its hiring. "The questionnaire already seeks information about illegal activity so there is no reason to ask this question unless the Obama Administration plans to use it to discriminate based on lawful activity," he wrote in an email blasted out to supporters recently. The senator plans to follow up by introducing federal legislation making it illegal to discriminate against someone for the simple fact that they lawfully own a firearm.

Mr. Obama is skating dangerously close to reigniting the political wars over gun control. Bill Clinton blamed the gun issue for helping cost Democrats their House majority in 1994, and Al Gore supporters believe it was pivotal in his 2000 presidential defeat. Nor did Mr. Obama help himself with his famous quip about "bitter" rural voters "clinging" to God and guns. His questionnaire not only shows a certain disdain for gun owners but a typical ignorance of how gun ownership works in America. The vast majority of guns are not "registered" per se. Most long guns can be purchased by filling out a form and passing an instant background check. That creates a paper trail that can later be used to track a gun. But it's not a registration that can lapse and doesn't typically follow a private sale of a gun.

Then again, maybe Team Obama is just checking for recent receipts so it won't be embarrassed by the discovery that one of its appointees is among the hordes of shoppers who have lately rushed to Wal-Mart to scoop up guns since Mr. Obama was elected.

[Valigator]

Obama Selects Janet Reno’s

Anti-Gun Point Man As Next Attorney General




So much for “I support the Second Amendment,” and so much for the notion of “change.”

Media reports say President-elect Barack Obama has selected Eric Holder as his Attorney General, and that Holder may already have accepted the offer. Holder, as Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno during the Clinton Administration, said that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right, but instead protects the right to have a firearm when serving with a militia. After leaving office, Holder stuck to that assertion when he signed Janet Reno’s brief to the Supreme Court in the Heller case, which stated, “The Second Amendment does not protect firearms possession or use that is unrelated to participation in a well-regulated militia.”

[Valigator]

Eric Holder has always been a strong supporter of gun control. From his Weekly Briefing on March 20, 2000 (available on Lexis.com):

I want to add my voice to those who are calling on Congress to finally -- to finally -- pass these very common-sense gun measures.

First, to require child safety locks for all handguns that are sold. Second, to ban violent juveniles from ever having the ability to own guns.

Third, to pass the president's handgun licensing proposal, which requires safety certification for all handgun purchasers.

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Fourth, to support research in smart-gun technology, which can limit a gun's use to its authorized owner.

And finally, to close the gun show loop hole by requiring a background check for all gun purchases at gun shows.

Every day that goes by, about 12, 13 more children in this country die from gun violence. We need these common-sense measures and we need them now.

[Valigator]

Barack Obama’s nomination of Eric Holder for attorney general will not sit well with advocates of Second Amendment rights — Holder has consistently championed stronger gun-control measures.

As deputy attorney general in the Bill Clinton administration from 1997 to 2001, Holder “was a strong supporter of restrictive gun control,” according to The Volokh Conspiracy, a Web site that focuses on the legal system and the courts.

He advocated federal licensing of handgun owners, a three-day waiting period on handgun sales, rationing handgun sales to no more than one per month, banning possession of handguns and so-called "assault weapons" by anyone under age 21, a gun show restriction bill that would have given the federal government the power to shut down all gun shows, and national gun registration.

“He also promoted the factoid that ‘Every day that goes by, about 12, 13 more children in this country die from gun violence’ — a statistic that is true only if one counts 18-year-old gangsters who shoot each other as ‘children,’” noted the Web site, founded by law professor Alexander Volokh.

After the 9/11 attacks, Holder wrote an opinion piece for The Washington Post arguing that a new law should give "the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms a record of every firearm sale." He also said prospective gun buyers should be checked against the secret "watch lists" compiled by various government entities.

Earlier this year, Holder — who would become the first African-American attorney general — co-signed an amicus brief in support of the District of Columbia’s ban on all handguns and on the use of any firearm for self-defense in the home.

Holder also played a key role in the snatching of 6-year-old Cuban Elian Gonzalez from his Miami relatives’ home in April 2000, according to the Web site. Gonzalez was to be sent to Cuba where his father lived.

Although a photo clearly showed a federal agent pointing a gun at the man who was holding the terrified child, Holder claimed that the federal agents sent to capture Gonzalez had acted "very sensitively."

David Kopel, author of the Volokh Conspiracy report, observed: “If Mr. Holder believes that breaking down a door with a battering ram, pointing guns at children (not just Elian), and yelling ‘Get down, get down, we'll shoot’ is an example of acting ‘very sensitively,’ his judgment about the responsible use of firearms is not as acute as would be desirable for a cabinet officer who would be in charge of thousands and thousands of armed federal agents, many of them paramilitary agents with machine guns.”

Holder has already come under fire due to his involvement in the Mark Rich pardon in the final hours of the Clinton presidency.

Billionaire Rich renounced his U.S. citizenship and moved to Switzerland to avoid prosecution for racketeering, wire fraud, tax fraud, tax evasion, and illegal trades with Iran in violation of the U.S. embargo following the 1979-80 hostage crisis.

Seventeen years later, Rich wanted a pardon, and he retained Jack Quinn, former counsel to the president, to lobby his old boss.

Holder had originally recommended Quinn to one of Rich's advisers, political analyst Dick Morris reported. And he gave substantive advice to Quinn along the way.

Once the pardon was granted, Holder sent his congratulations to Quinn.

[skeeter@ccia.com]

I think we are in deep doo doo...with this outfit on the move...What are we going to do?...I hope there are a ton of lawyers (NRA) etc that can help us out here...Has to be some kind of discrimination thing....and again, news said about the ammo tax..tks val..informative info..

[skeeter@ccia.com]

HARRISBURG -- Pennsylvania gun owners dodged a bullet when lawmakers failed to enact legislation that would have levied a 5-cent tax on each shell and required encoding ammunition with serial numbers and registering those numbers in a statewide database.

Introduced in February, the bill remains in the state House Judiciary Committee and will die at the end of the session on Sunday. But it could be reintroduced in January, and gun advocates expect to fight it again next year.

It's part of a growing effort nationally to target ammunition as one way to stem gun violence.

[Larryjk]

The Second Amendment says the right to own firearms shall not be infringed. How much of a tax would it take to cross the threshold on infringement?

[RagingBullPa]

have you priced ammo in pa lately it is outrageous, same goes for most other places , wonder what the excuse is this time:confused: :mad: :eek:

[RagingBullPa]

of O'reilly Ripping inti Obama today but beings i can't stand either one of the butt heads i put on noggin for my granddaughter instead:o

[RagingBullPa]

lets see that would put my 454casull right up there with my 300 ultra mag as far as price goes, thank god i only need 1 bullet :D , we gotta get this AHOLE Rendell outta Office , i nominate skeeterfor governorof pennsylvania, i'll be Lt Gov:p . no matter what these jerks try to stem violence the raising of ammo priceswon't help , the SOB'S will steal it like they have been all along , these people have tunnel vision, right up somebuddies butt cheeks

[bulletpusher]

Not to cause to much of a problem, but just so you will know, there are more children killed by drunk drivers, playing football, soccer, abortion and about a dozen other things than there are killed by guns every day.

Guns are way down on the list for killing children and I would pray to the Good Lord above that another child never dies due to gun accidents ever again, but there are also so many things besides guns that are killing more children.

I guess that we could ban drunk drivers, no wait we have already done that, it already illegal!

We could ban football games and soccer games. No wait, the hords of drones that venture forth to watch such drivel would have a coniption fit if we did that.

And last but not least, the liberals would have heart failure if you so much as suggested that we stop them from committing their little old abortions, so they would not have to take the responsiblity for their actions that cause their need for them in the first place.

So what do we propose, stop children from dying from guns? How would you do that?

The people that live in this country have the right to keep and bare arms period, no ifs ands or buts, and no one is going to take that away if I can help it.

Pardon my rant. I'm sure Valigator already knows all of the above and I did not meen to single anyone out. I just get so frustrated about people not thinking things out to the end and seeing that there is more than meets the eye to whats killing children other than guns.

Bulletpusher

[RagingBullPa]

that we should look at the big picture and realize illegal drugs kill more than anything , getting rid of them and the scum that traffics them are high on my priority list we don't allow drugs in our neighborhood , drop the dime get rid of the scum, put em away from our children they are our future

[Valigator]

Originally posted by bulletpusher
Not to cause to much of a problem, but just so you will know, there are more children killed by drunk drivers, playing football, soccer, abortion and about a dozen other things than there are killed by guns every day.

Guns are way down on the list for killing children and I would pray to the Good Lord above that another child never dies due to gun accidents ever again, but there are also so many things besides guns that are killing more children.

I guess that we could ban drunk drivers, no wait we have already done that, it already illegal!

We could ban football games and soccer games. No wait, the hords of drones that venture forth to watch such drivel would have a coniption fit if we did that.

And last but not least, the liberals would have heart failure if you so much as suggested that we stop them from committing their little old abortions, so they would not have to take the responsiblity for their actions that cause their need for them in the first place.

So what do we propose, stop children from dying from guns? How would you do that?

The people that live in this country have the right to keep and bare arms period, no ifs ands or buts, and no one is going to take that away if I can help it.

Pardon my rant. I'm sure Valigator already knows all of the above and I did not meen to single anyone out. I just get so frustrated about people not thinking things out to the end and seeing that there is more than meets the eye to whats killing children other than guns.

Bulletpusher

Sweetie your preaching to the choir...I was just quoting what the idiots in Washington were saying..Nobody more than me thinks..a hard day is comin, and we should be armed to the teeth...;) Had my eye on a little 380 to wear under my work uniform...My christmas list includes ammo, holsters, knifes and a little Chanel

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Now being the VP of our sportsmens club, http://www.zelienople-harmonysportsmensclub.com/ I get asked quite often why we don't raise the dues enough that it will filter out the riff-raff...ah...my response to them is ....you can be an assbutt and still have money...in fact, what if they were the only ones that could afford to join?..well this is somewhat the same as .adding a buck or $5 to a round of ammo...guess they figure the bad guys not able to afford ammo?...If we would turn on the news in the morning and not have to hear about some poor soul that just was the nicest person but got shot standing on the druggie hangout corner at 3am...(another wrong place,wrong time) .and people hearing about shootings all the time...so.. 'stop the guns' .....we will never stop crime with the soft hand we slap them with..in fact some legal issues I have been dealing with is a nephew that stole my mothers (his grandmom)..credit card and charged $11,000 worth of crap on has more rights than the lady that owns the card and they are wanting to pay the bill now..I am her Poa and she in nursing home and I asked credit card people why they not call someone when an 80 yr old woman is buying booze and paying for lap dances at a nude bar and make sure is ok..they say...'can't give you that information'..favorite words..can't give you that information...the crooks have more rights than the honest people..where are the lawyers???????...I mean the ones to help the good guys..oh and they will probably just write off as a loss and nephew walk free..with $11g worth of stuff...

[Larryjk]

skeeter@ccia.com
I understand what you are saying about the privacy act crap. In mid-December I had an old friend get very ill that another fellow and I had been helping. (We had been driving him to doctor appointments for his prostate cancer and going blind from macular degeneration). He became very ill and we took him to the emergency room. They had him transported to another hospital 150 miles away. When we called to check on his condition, it was a no go since we weren't relatives. Finally he told them the other fellow should contact his family and we could check on his condition after that. Poor guy died on the 14th of Dec. If he had not been able to communicate his wishes that last time, he would have died without anyone being able to know how bad he was. He had lapsed into a coma a few hours after asking to have his relatives notified and never regained conciousness. WARNING: carry some type of instructions in your billfold in case you can not communicate after an accident.:(