Mosin Nagant carbine or Am I wrong?

[jon lynn]

A fellow was at the range this morning, had what looked like to me, a Mosin Nagant carbine 7.62 x 54R.

He said yes it was the correct round, but he insisted it was a Polish Mauser.

I know the Germans supplied Mausers to Poland for a time, but thought it was with the 98 style action. Or did they switch all their machinery just to produce 91/30 style actions (notice the sarcasm?).

OR........am I just wrong, and it is indeed a Mauser?

And.........what really got my goat, he said his Leapers scope was good enough to use and hunt with, but he couldn't get better than a six inch spread, supported from the bench. He got so mad at me trying to give advice, such as resting his barrel on solid wood as he shot......................goober!

[Catfish]

I`m far from an expert on WW 11 weapons, but it just don`t make sence that the Germans would chamber rifles for that round. Were they counting on useing caputred Russian ammo???????? If he was laying his barrel on a wooden block, :rolleyes:, well I`m sure he knows it all and if you don`t believe me just ask him.

[Jack]

Hmmm. . . resting the barrel on a wooden block, using a Leapers scope. .
Jon, I'd go to someone other than that guy, for expert advice.
I'm not aware of any WW2 era 98 Mausers chambered for the Russian 7.62x54R cartridge. It could have happened, I suppose- the Germans used all kinds of captured weapons. But, that's the thing: they captured umpteen million Moisin Nagants at the beginning of the war with Russia. Why would they need to chamber 98's for the catridge- they could just use the captured rifles, if they had some reason to use that catridge.
Poland did use the Mauser 98K, but it was chambered in 8x57- the same cartridge the Germans used.
I really, really, REALLY doubt that the expert you ran into had what he said he had.

[Rapier]

They key here is "Mauser" the rifle obviously was not a Mauser of any type ever made. A Mosin is so obviously not a Mauser to anyone that knows diddly about military rifles.

Now the deal about the Germans is that they in fact used everything they captured, from pistols to Anti Aircraft guns, including tanks, trucks and aircraft. By war's end they had folks running around with stuff from everywhere on the planet. But, I doubt the Germans armed any Poles with Mosins to any real extent. The Germans had a real dislike for the Poles, as did the Soviets.

It is way more likely that as an Iron Curtin Country after the war, Poland was in fact armed by the Soviet Union with surplus WWII rifles, hello........

The Soviets also had most of their union countries making guns after the war and is exactly why you see refrence to xyz AK or xyz Makarov, etc.

Jon, when you run into stupid combined with ignorance, it is way better to just walk away, before another clown observes the discussion and can not tell who is what. The old, "Never argue with a fool" axium. :D
Ed

[bulletpusher]

It is not likely that it is a Mauser, even thou every European country and half of the rest of the World made a variant of the Mauser, including the United States, I.E. the 1903 Springfield and its variants.

The Mosin Nagant had several different carbines made from the 91/30. These included the Model 1907, the M38, the M44 and the M59 (91/59). The M38 is the most likely culprit because thats the model that has been imported into the United States the most to the best of my limited knowledge.

Check out the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin%E2%80%93Nagant

This is just one of the thousands out there.

Just a thought
Bulletpusher

[Seawolf1090]

The Poles did produce their own Mauser variant, and their own M44 Mosin Carbine variant. Both very good quality examples of their respective systems - but very different rifles! He simply didn't know his own rifle.

I once bought a Steyr Stutzen Rifle(Carbine length but with Rifle sights and hardware), the M95M variant that was rebarreled in 8X57 caliber because the Yugos did not want ammo logistics problems. Kicked like a mule! But the pawnshop had it tagged "Mauser Rifle"........ good for me, as the price was far lower than the proper M95M should have been. ;)