Tragic event in NY

[Joe Boleo]

What a shocking story.

NYC crazy shoots and kills his boss. New York's finest show up and shoot 9 bystanders on the sidewalk. The news media puts a spin on the story. Take care...
Joe

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48787526/ns ... ork_times/

[Adam Helmer]

Joe,

Good thread! I did not see where the distance between the two cops and Johnson was specified. I am not surprised that nine bystanders were hit by the two cops who fired 7 and 9 rounds, per my newspaper. Seven bullets hit Johnson and, thus, nine rounds hit "Friendlies" as we say in the Police Firearms Training scenarios.

My newspaper also said that in routine police shootings, "five rounds are fired regardless of distance from cop to cadaver." Most cops do not practice with their duty firearm and are not proficient; they qualify twice per year, most MINIMALLY, and in the stress of an armed confrontation they engage in "Spray and Pray." Hence, Nine wounded citizens.

Adam

[Rapier]

Adam,
Your experiance and my experiance is exactly the same. Your assesment is spot on. I spent many years as a combat arms instructor for and to our local LEOs. I can count on one hand the officers I would call proficent of 4 Counties. Now, that is a very sad comment on our local City, State and County officers.

It is amazing to watch officers become phisicly ill awaiting a simple firearms qualification, because they have failed to practice in order to remain even basicly proficient with the gun they carry every day. I have heard all of the excuses and still can not fathom a person whom carries a gun for a living being unable to use it. It boggles the mind.

But NY, NY has even more problems in that the culture of anti gun is so extreame it carries over to the police force and their training and most certinly their equipment. The NY triggers as required by NY City are amazing, as an example. Go to a Glock custom site and look at the NY triggers, what an abomination.
Ed

[buckhunter]

I had to qualify this year for my CCW. First time ever. Going to a police range with a Cop hanging over your shoulder hoping you don't make it can get a little intense. Fixed them shot a 278/300. Would have done better but we had to use their guns.

Watched a few of Boston's finest shoot. Yes they need help however last week some jerk pulled a gun on a Boston cop and it was one shot, one kill. Good for him.

[popplecop]

Proficiency doesn't always make one a combat shooter when the chips are down. Mind set has a lot to do with it, sorry to say some officers can not make that judgement even to shoot. Years ago I remember when they interviewed the recruit class of police in Madison, Wi. (pop. 2000,000+) one officer stated he detisted firearms. Made a mental note if I needed back up from that PD, didn't want him in the area even. The Chief they had then apparently didn't see anything wrong as he ws retained on the PD.

[powell&hyde]

I agree popplecop, my brother has been a leo for the state for 32 years due for retirement next year he did have to face a 12g shotgun at point blank . This was 13 years ago and he has always said, "so far it's the only time I've had to look down the business end of a firearm, it than becomes tunnel vision as all surroundings are focused on one point"