Spark,

That was the 375 H&H that I posted for sale. Had it priced way high to see if there were any bites. Then posted SPF a couple of days later. Pretty tricky, huh:rolleyes:

I really like it but anything in Idaho that wants to come after me can be handled by the 338. And it shoots good too. Hangs right around MOA.

The 270 went to my son who can shoot that thumbhole stock right handed and I can't. I didn't want to mess with the stock as I did a good job on that one.

RUMLUVER

Why is it so heavy. Hmmmmm, lets see. Has a hunk of Fagen thumbhole stock that is pretty heavy. Then I had a Lilja 27" Number 4 cpntour installed. The weight includes Super Sniper scope, Sling, Mounts, Bipod. Its a good carrying rifle and with 140s @ 3200 you can see the hits when the rest is solid.

It looks like this:

and shoots like this when my son is shooting it. My groups are about 1/2 that size.;)

Here's what the 338 does on pretty much a regular basis with the Sierra 2600s (250 GMK)

Believe it or not Wildcat 252 RBBTs tighten that up just a skosh. Think the WC is a better bullet but the GMK can't be too far off.

I have to the end of the month to get a cow in the sights. I'm still considering that lama:o

Nice pictures you got there. I especially like the the .338 target it looks like the tagets that I get using my .338 RUM and 250gr Hornady Interlock with 90.0gr of IMR7828. I also get those results with a 225 Hornady Interlock and 92.0gr of IMR7828. Good looking none the less. I liked the looks of the .270 but personaly not real big on thumbholes for hunting thats just me though. I will have to show pictures of my .264 Win Mag when its done it will be realy sweet looking!

250s from that rifle, 24" bbl, have a max of around 2850 fps. The rifle shoots best @ 2800.

As well as it shoots I'm scouting for a 338 RUM rem takeoff bbl to experiment with. Following that I'll send it off and get a 30" bbl in the 338 Edge or Tommy.

What velocities are you shooting with your 250s?

royinidaho,

Right now with the IMR7828 load I'm getting 3000fps. I found best groups there I got to 3085 but was getting groups that were a little over an 1". So I stuck with my load at 3000 it works the best in my rifle. I also have have a load with 90.5gr H4831 that I havn't had the time to run through chrony yet I'm thinking that load will be at 3050 or a little better. That load produces between 1/2 and 5/8 " groups.

No muzzle brake, huh? That otta be thumpin' ya pretty fair:rolleyes: Me thinks I'm a wimp.:D

Good data. Appreciate it. Thus, I'll procede with the takeoff bbl should the fella in CO. decide to let it go. I think its the 26" blue sporter bbl, not the heavy one.:( A good thing is that the brake could be swapped from my current bbl. Saves a bit of the 160 that it took to get it installed on this bbl.

Have you tried any of that 7828 SSC powder yet? I seem to have to squeeze the last bit of velocity out of stuff.

Those velocities are only 150 fps slower that my spec. but I doubt that any animal would know the difference......

No I havn't tried any of the 7828 SSC yet I have 5lbs of the standard 7828 to use up yet. But the short cut intrests me though be cause it will come to rest in the case more uniformly and should burn more uniformly also. I think that way a guy could squeeze a little more velocity out of of a case that way. I'm looking forward to using next summer! Hope you get that barrel your looking at also. I don't realy get beat as bad as some may think shooting without a break but I don't shoot as much in one session as I do with my .300 though. I also rotate using my 22-250 also at the range rest rest between shot strings that seems to help.

Roy...
OK I got that about the 375. My mistake. I like those targets. What about that bottom one? It has two hole about 5" apart way left of the three shot group :eek: hehehehe :D :D

Just what I like to read a little ribbing now and then. But everybody pulls a shot now and then that's what keeps us going back. It can't be pearfect all the time!:D

RUMLUVER:

Hey! Them is from the hole punch:rolleyes:

What! Me pull a shot :eek: :D

Things really are the pits. I'm in one "bowl" and 300 elk are in the "bowl" to the east moving west, towards me. Completely un known to me. Next day I went 1 "bowl" to the west. The elk went 2 "bowls.

Next time I by pants I'm gonna by 30x38s instead of the 38-30s I normally buy. I otta catch'm then:rolleyes:

I like your strategy with with pants size! Let me know haow it works for you I just may try it for myself next deer seasone. I was suckin a little wind myself this year.

I know your fellin' there Roy. I just spent a week in Montana chasing the elusive elk. The nomads. Same thing, everyday fresh tracks, long walk, no bull. Who said hunting was fun??? :o :o :(

Hang in there. One will make a mistake some day.:)

They are tough to find.

Tomorrow got all screwed up. Was supposed to take some aerial photos of some farm land would have been easy to fly over the elk unit and gps the herd. They are in big bunches now. 300 in some, 1000 in another, etc.

But pilot is up north at a Highschool state football game.:rolleyes: So can't make an photo $ or find "those" elk.

However, going out back of the house in the morning. Who knows? They may be back there but I don't know why. No snow. Oh well. Sooner or later.

If I get skunked back there its gonna be tough walking by those lamas:D

Just feel free to give those hell! :D They aren't all that great anyway and probably need thinning out anyway. If it's any consaolation I filled my first deer tag today! Shot it running away from me at about 90 yards one shot from the .338 RUM ended all thoughts of getting away. Well thats a start it will make it to my freezer tomarrow. Good luck behind the house!:)

Went out back. Cows and 4-wheelers back there. Gave up and came home. Walked by the lamas and didn't even put the scope on them.:(

Twas a nice winter day. 40 degrees no wind, well very little so me thinks I gotta do some shootin'.

Figured I'd validate my drop chart. I had just chrono'd and sighed in @ 200 yds and let the computer do its thing. Figured Sierra's published BCs are reliable.

Velocity right at 2800 mv.

Here's the results.

200 yds +4 1/4"

311 yds +1/4"

438 yds -13"

540 Yds -32"

4550' elevation, 45 degrees, wind from 7o'clock A < 5 mph.

Scope 1.6" above line of bore.

Sierra 250 Gameking (#2600)

Gotta get me one of those xbal thingers for my pocket pc. Then I guess I have to carry around a weather station.:rolleyes:

Looks good to me nice and flat and should hit plenty hard! I got some news that I found intresting. Barnes is now producing a 250gr TSXFB in .338. I was very happy to see that with that reduced friction design of the TSX I should get between 3000 and 3100 in my .338 RUM. With that bullets high BC and SD it will be just flat ass devastating on most anything I shoot with it and it will be sanctioned by ATT because it will reach out and touch something! Thought you would like to hear the news!:p

Went to Barnes' web site found nothing larger than 225gr??

Ihaven't received their regular email lately either.

What's the BC supposed to be.

To make that Sierra 2600 match the curve I had to use a BC of about .800:confused: :confused: But I'm always confused.:rolleyes:

Roy go to the Barnes shopping site to see the new 250gr TSX I was just there and it's for sale but they don't list it under thier chart for TSX's. As far what the B.C. is for this bullet give me a little time I will let you know Barnes is getting back to me with this info. By the way have you heard about the new MRX bullet from Barnes yet? Federal is going to load it in thier factory ammo but it will be available to us next year!

Roy,

The BC for those Barnes TSX I mentioned is .521 not bad for a flat based bullet! Thats what I think

Found 'em. Thanks

Think I'll make a trip down there see if I can "gleep" onto some and do some testing while down there.

Let me know how it turns out for you and I will do the same when get my hands on some and do some testing with my .338 RUM!

338 Win is nothing to sneeze at.

fired a Sierra 250gr game king at a 2 liter bottle of water (end ways) target was the cap. Base of the bottle was against one of the railroad ties (8 inch width) at 200 yds.

Miss the end cap by a breath. Explosion was really awsome. Some parts of the plastic bottle just dissappeared.

The amazing part, at least to me, was that the bullet fully penetrated the 8" of railroad tie and kept on going. I was and still am impressed.

Also, if I shoot a 1/2" - 3 shot group at 200yds which happens on a regular basis, the second and third shots penetrate the 8 inches of wet blow sand (really fine).

Sounds like like you got yourself a helluva rifle there Roy! I can't wait to see what I can do this summer with the new 250 TSX's. I will do some penatration tests just for the hell of it and to see exactly how far these bullets will travel. Thanks for the story about the Win Mag!

As soon as you get some accuracy experience on those TSXs please post.

I've had no luck with Barnes and accuracy.

Roy,

I was always told the same thing that the standard X bullet was inaccurate and was a realy bad copper fouler. I tried the TSX bullets in my .300, .338, and .7mm and so far they have been accurate and easy cleaning. My brother shoots a 130gr TSX out of his .264 and shoots groups at a 100 yards that are the size of tylonal tablets. But when I get some test results from that 250gr TSX I will be sure to post the targets. By then I may have a digital camera to get them on this site. If its and good to you I shoot a 210gr and 225gr TSX and 1/2 groups with those quite regularly.

Reading about Roy's 2 liter and tie reminded me of some steel plates we shot. The one below was shot with a 300WSM and a 338RUM. It is a 3/4 in plate that was shot at 200 yards. If I remember right we had a few go all the way through. The 338 was loaded with Hornady Soft Point Interlocks and I think the 300 was loaded with Nosler Balistic tips.

Front side.
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Back side.
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Dale,

What are you using for a load with those Hornady Interlocks and grain wieght are you using just currious?

88.5 grains of RL22 & a 225 gr. Interlock.

Dale,

In my .338 RUM I'm using 92.0gr of IMR 7828 with a 225gr Interlock and getting 3150fps with 5/8in and better groups. I'm also using 90.0gr of IMR7828 and 250gr Interlock and getting 2987fps. What are you getting for velocity?

Don't know. How's that for an answer. I don't have a chrony yet and it doesn't look like Santa is gong to bring me one. I plan on adding one this next year. Book velocity puts it around 2900. Wont know for sure till I get a fast bullet measuring thingy. ;)

Maybe if you were real nice this year Santa still might be considering it! If not hope you get one soon it gets real intresting when you find out what the "book says" and what your load and rifle are actualy doing. I know I've been surprized more than once when I ran some loads through a chrony. Most recently it was some loads for my .300 RUM and some Barnes bullets.

RUMLUVER,

Well, I'm about to do it.

Its getting pretty boring shooting the 338Win after all the kinks are worked out. Its probably one of the better shooting rifles I've owned but as some said, "It ain't sexy."

Found a new/unfired 338 RUM bbl in sporter config. at a super price and from a trustworthy gunsmith. I'll put another 225 or so into it getting the bbl and brake switched and add a tubbs recoil lug then we'll go to playing with it.

I'll pillar bed the stock then probably re-skim bed it.

That ought to stretch my range several hundred yards.

It'll be a neat cartridge/chamber/barrel comparison. The Win gets the 225 Hornady to 2900 and the 250 Sierra to 2850. I would expect to get the 250 to at least 3000 with the RUM with a decent level of accuracy.

Also think I'll get it throated so that the base of the Wildcat 252 RBBTs is at the base of the neck.

Also it will be a single shot so I don't have to have the rails messed with. The smith will "glue" in one of those single shot inserts.

I don't mind a single shot at all except if me and a griz ever get to scuffling over something I shot. Then I'd do my shooting from a bit of a distance then put the muzzle at the entrance wounds and shoot again. Figure that brake would make some unmistakable powder burns. :rolleyes:

Otta be a pretty good excuse wouldn't cha thinK;)

Roy,

Sounds like your going to be having alot of fun with that .338 RUM project. Let me tell you that you will not be dissapointed when your done that .338 RUM is a very accurate caliber and with what your doing there it will be a tack driver. Also with reloading it won't take much to get 3000fps from the 250gr slugs I have 2 loads that do it now. You must post some pictures when this project is done. I want to see the end rusult. I will post pics of my .264 Win Mag project when I'm done with that but as for right now I'm still waiting on my barrel.

Here's my plan.

After the RUM bbl is installed I'm going to do the standard Lilja barrel breakin procedure and see how that goes.

Then I'm going to do the Final Finish/Tubbs thing with the abrasive bullets and polish it up a bit and see how that pans out.

Then after that I'll.............................:rolleyes:

OH the joys of playing with new toys huh Roy!

ubetcha!

Have some fellas on another board that did major experiment/testing with the Tubbs Final Finish on factory bbls with very good results and very few, if any, negatives. But it was done very carefully and not more than just enough loads were fired.

That seems to be not such a bad idea I may have to try it myself sometime with a new rifle of my own. Keep me posted on results and progress.

Ramshot Magnum in 338 Win.

Velocities similar to RL-22.

Pressure seems lower as indicated by much much easier fired case extraction.

A bit too slow for 338 Win. Will try it in 338 RUM when it gets put together.

Jury still out on accuracy though standard deviations are really low as compared to RL-22 loads.

RCBS ChargeMaster really likes it.

I suggest trying the tubb F F on an old barrel first, and see how it goes. There is some throat erosion from doing firelapping. Which is not an issue with a .22 hornet, or maybe a 30-06, but something like a 7mm ultra mag, i think you would be taking a bit of life from that barrel. It`s important to push the lead slug through the barrel first to see if there is a problem, and go from there.