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"That shows what kind of a person he is. To me, he is not much of a person. I don't know if he has a son. But if he lost his, he would think different."
Mr. Kent Terry

"I sat in a chair and cried. It was so inhumane. An apology to anybody means at least they are trying to fix it. He didn't."
Mrs. Josephine Terry

The parents of Brian Terry after watching Eric Holder testify.

Just a couple of items to add to this very long thread:

To add insult to injury the DOJ has sealed the records of the Terry murder. Apparently the DOJ is attempting to stop the Terry family from getting access to new documents they would need to persue a law suit. This type of arrogance on the part of DOJ makes me ill, the idea that our government thinks it can participate in killing your child and deny your family due process, is astounding.

The DOJ has issued a letter to Congress admitting that their denials of F & F and allowing guns to walk was "inaccurate" after ten months of investigation over the original denials. In DC talk that means we lied.

DOJ has now released over 1,000 documents outlining how they lied to Congress about F & F.

The Democrats in the Senate keep trying to protect the DOJ and the Administration. This protection is obviously why prosecution of the guilty in this deal is not going forward and the DOJ has the audacity to punish the whistle blowers right before the eyes of Congress while promoting the guilty. The message by Holder is clear; I am untouchable and you in the DOJ play ball or get sent to Siberia.

It is going to take replacing the Democratis in the Senate to get justice for the injured and murdered in this episode. We here in FL have a new candidate to run against Bill Nelson, O'BS's drum beater in FL, that person is Connie Mack, from a very old FL and TX family and a currently serving US House member. Perhaps we can get rid of Nelson who has been a supporter of every liberal off the wall agenda that came down the pike.
Ed

Rotten to the core. Ever heard that saying before?

On Monday the DOJ released 2,000 new documents which clearly show that the Deputy administrators in the DOJ, in DC, lied over and over again about Fast and Furious. That there were hundreds of emails flying back and forth within the DOJ, ATF and FBI about what to do with the letter of inquiry by Grassley and Issa in the first 60 days of this year. So what did our leaders decide to do? They decided to lie. They agreed in memos to say there was no gun walking and then when asked under oath about gun walking, they all said they had not read the memos that were initially turned over or could not recall any one of the memos.

Now Issa has documented proof that Holder's chief deputy, his right hand in DC, forwarded the memos he claimed to have never read, to his (the deputy) personal email account on his personal blackberry and further, the deputy, in writing, congratulated the author of the big lie letter written to Congress on his wording of denying gun walking. They have the documented initial discussions, the agreement on the direction to take, the letter itself, the congratulations on the letter, etc. In other words they have the DOJ Chief Deputy by the nads for perjury and lying to Congress.

They do not have a direct link to Holder yet. But, it is impossible at this point to believe that hundreds of emails flew back and forth in his department about an inquiry from Congress and he knew nothing about any of it.

Holder is to appear tomorrow and answer for the lies of the DOJ to Congress. Seems like we are seeing the little bubbles beginning to form on the bottom of the pot and it is starting to boil.
Ed

This is what was publised in the Boston Herald today.

Not much more than we already knew. Holder is running away from this.

WASHINGTON — The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee accuses the Justice Department of giving inconsistent statements about what he calls a reckless and dangerous law enforcement program.
Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas says many questions remain about who authorized the arms-tracking investigation known as Operation Fast and Furious. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is being criticized for failing to track illicitly obtained weapons that were later recovered in Mexico and the U.S., many of them at crime scenes.
Attorney General Eric Holder, the sole witness at Thursday’s hearing, says it was inexcusable for the bureau to use a controversial tactic known as "gun-walking" in its effort to identify and prosecute major arms trafficking networks along the Southwest border.
© Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

"The new internal messages reveal that in early January this year, a month before there was any publicity about "Fast & Furious," Department of Justice personnel were pointing out: "this case ["Fast & Furious] could be a strong supporting factor [for new regulations] if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case." "

From email messages sent to Issa by the DOJ on Friday last. Now we get the first direct evidence that the DOJ was actually using F&F to instigate more gun regulation laws and had a direct and deliberate political agenda.

In the Holder testimony yesterday we also heard for the first time, on record, the word Impeachment.
Ed

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ate-758295296/

Quote:

KUHNER: Obama’s Watergate
Officials cover up culpability for gun smuggling and murder

A year ago this week, U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was murdered. He died protecting his country from brutal Mexican gangsters. Two AK-47 assault rifles were found at his death site. We now know the horrifying truth: Agent Terry was killed by weapons that were part of an illegal Obama administration operation to smuggle arms to the dangerous drug cartels. He was a victim of his own government. This is not only a major scandal; it is a high crime that potentially reaches all the way to the White House, implicating senior officials. It is President Obama’s Watergate.

Operation Fast and Furious was run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and overseen by the Justice Department. It started under the leadership of Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. Fast and Furious enabled straw gun purchases from licensed dealers in Arizona, in which more than 2,000 weapons were smuggled to Mexican drug kingpins. ATF claims it was seeking to track the weapons as part of a larger crackdown on the growing violence in the Southwest. Instead, ATF effectively has armed murderous gangs. About 300 Mexicans have been killed by Fast and Furious weapons. More than 1,400 guns remain lost. Agent Terry likely will not be the last U.S. casualty.

Mr. Holder insists he was unaware of what took place until after media reports of the scandal appeared in early 2011. This is false. Such a vast operation only could have occurred with the full knowledge and consent of senior administration officials. Massive gun-running and smuggling is not carried out by low-level ATF bureaucrats unless there is authorization from the top. There is a systematic cover-up.

Congressional Republicans, however, are beginning to shed light on the scandal. Led by Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Rep. Darrell Issa of California, a congressional probe is exposing the Justice Department’s rampant criminality and deliberate stonewalling. Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, who heads the department’s criminal division, helped craft a February letter to Congress that denied ATF had ever walked guns into Mexico. Yet, under pressure from congressional investigators, the department later admitted that Mr. Breuer knew about ATF gun-smuggling as far back as April 2010. In other words, Mr. Breuer has been misleading Congress. He should resign - or be fired.

Instead, Mr. Holder tenaciously insists that Mr. Breuer will keep his job. He needs to keep his friends close and potential witnesses even closer. Another example is former acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson. Internal documents show Mr. Melson directly oversaw Fast and Furious, including monitoring numerous straw purchases of AK-47s. He has admitted to congressional investigators that he, along with high-ranking ATF leaders, reassigned every “manager involved in Fast and Furious” after the scandal surfaced on Capitol Hill and in the press. Mr. Melson said he was ordered by senior Justice officials to be silent regarding the reassignments. Hence, ATF managers who possess intimate and damaging information - especially on the role of the Justice Department - essentially have been promoted to cushy bureaucratic jobs. Their silence has been bought, their complicity swept under the rug. Mr. Melson has been transferred to Justice’s main office, where he serves as a “senior adviser” on forensic science in the department’s Office of Legal Policy. Rather than being punished, Mr. Melson has been rewarded for his incompetence and criminal negligence.

Mr. Holder and his aides have given misleading, false and contradictory testimony on Capitol Hill. Perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power - these are high crimes and misdemeanors. Mr. Holder should be impeached. Like most liberals, he is playing the victim card, claiming Mr. Issa is a modern-day Joseph McCarthy conducting a judicial witch hunt. Regardless of this petty smear, Mr. Holder must be held responsible and accountable - not only for the botched operation, but for his flagrant attempts to deflect blame from the administration.

Mr. Holder is a shameless careerist and a ruthless Beltway operative. For years, his out-of-control Justice Department has violated the fundamental principle of our democracy, the rule of law. He has refused to prosecute members of the New Black Panthers for blatant voter intimidation that took place in the 2008 election. Career Justice lawyers have confessed publicly that Mr. Holder will not pursue cases in which the perpetrators are black and the victims white. States such as Arizona and Alabama are being sued for simply attempting to enforce federal immigration laws. Mr. Holder also opposes voter identification cards, thereby enabling fraud and vote-stealing at the ballot box. What else can we expect from one who, during the Clinton administration, helped pardon notorious tax cheat Marc Rich and Puerto Rican terrorists?

Mr. Holder clearly knew about Fast and Furious and did nothing to stop it. This is because the administration wanted to use the excuse of increased violence on the border and weapons-smuggling into Mexico to justify tighter gun-control legislation. Mr. Holder is fighting ferociously to prevent important internal Justice documents from falling into the hands of congressional investigators. If the full nature of his involvement is discovered, the Obama presidency will be in peril.

Fast and Furious is even worse than Watergate for one simple reason: No one died because of President Nixon’s political dirty tricks and abuse of government power. But Brian Terry is dead; and there are still 1,500 missing guns threatening still more lives.

What did Mr. Obama know? Massive gun-smuggling by the U.S. government into a foreign country does not happen without the explicit knowledge and approval of leading administration officials. It’s too big, too risky and too costly. Mr. Holder may not be protecting just himself and his cronies. Is he protecting the president?