I agree Skinny!! But, there is really no need for a 22-250. They are really over rated......

They cant do anything that a 223 or 22-243 could accomplish better.....

:D

Andy

Gentlemen,

Y'all have it all wrong about the best deer rifle! The best deer rifle is defitely the 7mm Remington magnum. How could you even think of any thing else but the 7mm mag.

The 220 Swift got robbed when the rumor came out that it burned out barels. It's still the King of 22 caliber rifles.

I have been in love with Mustangs ever since I saw the movie Bullit with Steve Mcqueen as a teenager. I almost bought a cobra last year, but the seller backed out of the deal.

John

did we just mention 22 cals in perfect deer rifle thread hmmmm.

you know ive nothing but good from folks that have taken deer with the 220 swift. same with the 22/250, ive even talked to a few that have used the 223 and 22lr.

but i think the 223 -220 22cals with the right bullet can make doable deer rigs


when you hunt with deer calls 243 and up all your life then all the sudden you have this urge to start takeing deer with the 22/250.

i think this is the first step into boredome and the ist step to going to a bow and string. id say the 22 cals are just as caple as bow and arrow when used within theyre limits.

at that note id like to let all know that i finaly broke down bought box of 224 cal 53 grain tripple shocks, hmmmmm wha the heck are those for.

i wouldnt say im bored i just want to try everything.


good a mate

Evan

Im going to attempt to kill deer this year with my 17Rem with a 25gr Berger MEF. Only if I can get it to stand long enough for an eye shot, everything should work as planned. Then, it will be known as another perfect deer rifle.

(Before I get flamed all to kingdom come, this was only a joke. I would never risk wounding a deer with a bullet not suited for taking a deer quickly and cleanly or, a 270.....)
:D

Andy

actualy

i bet a vld in any weight you want would cleany take any western or north american bigame

Now we are picking on the 220 Swift and my feelings are hurt because I own one. When is this ever gonna end. LOL

Cant help ya on the Mustangs Fabs, but if they go to pickin on Superdutys with Powerstrokes, I got your back. Everyone knows you cant beat em....
:D

I like the 220 Swift. The 22-250 is kinda like the 270. Its ok if you can only own one rifle. Anyone knows that the 22-250 is outdone by the 223 and 220 on respective ends of the bullet weights, just as the 270 is outdone by the 25-06 and the 280 or virtually any 30 cal on the other end......
;) :)

Andy

See what you have done Gatorbum!!!
:D

I love it.

i think the 22/250 and 220 are so close that there twins, therey closer in perfromance and balistics than the 280 and 270

You all know that the 30-30 is totally obsolette, a product of the 19th century, and we should all quit using such an antique;)

Quite honestly, I am waiting for the arrival of the laser blaster like they have in Star Wars. That way, I can shoot my deer and have it cooked at the same time. That will really cut down on the time factor.

This thread is starting to lose some of it's validity.

Ok, AndyL, you don't care much for the .270win but why can't I? I deem it the perfect deer round. If you don't agree then that's fine but your round-about insluts are getting somewhat tiresome.

Hi All,

Well actually the hot .22 cals are valid deer rifle/cartridges, In Ireland thay Baned and confiscated all sporting rifles then grudgingly let them have rifels no larger than .22"/5.6mm so all their hunting was done with these, the king was not the Swift as you may have thought but the 5.6x57mm which used a 70 grn bullet. Red and Sika stags were taken well with single shots in fact so good did it perform that some shooters retained their 5.6mm's when the estrictions were lifted slightly to all calibres up to and including the 0.270.

Leave the 22 cf's to shoot what they were made for, varmints, period. Why not see how low one can go and try it with a bb or pellet gun? Deer hunting requires a caliber capable of cleanly harvesing the animal, and I prefer to do it with the least amount of meat damage. I've seen what happens when you blast a light projectile at super speed thru an animal. Does it kill? If it don't blow up and makes it in the boiler room sure, and quickly at that, but why waste all that good tasting venison? A less than ideal shot wounds and is not good or pretty.

For a lot of young or newer hunters that read these boards, we do no favors pulling the chain on the .22's for deer rifles. Not that it can't be done, and in some states it's even legal, but I can't recommend them. Hunting deserves respect for the animals we harvest.

Lots of good deer calibers out there starting on the low end at .243 -- and you'll never please all the people all the time, but the .270 is a super deer rifle for a whole lot of folks, me included. But that's not to say that either the 25- or 30-'06 or 7 mil can't be just as good for a great many hunters.

Model70, I'm with ya on backing the .270 as a great deer caliber, maybe even perfect, JMHO, Lemme go get my flak vest and kevlar outta the closet, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

Just funnin 70..... Sheeesh.

I done said probably between this thread and the first one that you were correct, at least as far as the 270 being ONE of the perfect ones. The rest is all just good fun. Did you miss the part about being a joke and going for the Manbeef record??

I thought this thread lost validity way before it started. Back on the last thread. I was just having some fun and truely thought everyone else was too.

If its that personal to ya, Ill quit. Hope I didnt hurt anyones feelings. Just having a good time.

Just one question Model 70. Is your dad O'Connor or something? Never seen anyone defend a round like that. (Part of the reason it was fun, I thought you were jokin too)

CYA
Andy

Yeah, I think I was the one that posted about the manbeef thread and I think there was no validity for this thread based upon the first post. Gatorbum pretty much stated that it is a crap shoot as far as picking the "perfect" deer cartridge and I pretty much agree. I think there are a wide number of "perfect" deer cartridges, but what is perfect to one man is not perfect to the other. Hence, my analogy to cars and trucks.

Here is another analogy. What is the "perfect" woman/man. I am willing to bet that each of us would have a different description of the perfect mate, and that is because we all probably have different tastes. Some of us will like brunettes, others blonds, and still others redheads. Why is that? Personal taste, and I think that also applies to the "perfect" deer cartridge. Obviously, there are certain people and cartridges that don't even come close to being perfect, but I am sure you get my drift.

I finally found the perfect girl
I couldn't ask for more.
She's deaf and dumb,
And oversexed,
And owns a liquor store.


(Yes all, this whole thread is for fun. Like the manbeef one. So stick your tongue firmly into your cheek and type away!)

Not bad for a newbie, Gatorbum! You created a classic right outta the gate!

Kinda what I thought Rocky, Gatorbum is gonna fit right in with this bunch of knuckleheads.
:D

Andy

Just remember, this is the internet. Its supposed to be fun. Let it be just that. You can find good info, but if a thread starts out being tounge in cheek, take it for what its worth.....

Hi All,

Oh.......... Oh deary me, Dom I take it that all the shooters and hunters In Ireland should have packed up because they were only allowed .22 rifles then ?

Here in the UK the .22 rifles are not legal in England & Wales for Deer at the moment that is. here is a move to make them legal for Roe, Muntjac and Chinese Water Deer. In Scotland they are legal for Roe Deer providing they use a 50 Grn Minimum bullet at 2450 fps or over producing 1100 ftlbs of muzzle energy.

Now personaly the smallest calibre centrefire I have is 6.5mm to which there is NO question about it's suitablity for Deer:D Even the 6.5x54MS which is the smallest I have is ample enough for all Deer, as has been proven over many decades since it's introduction. Heck is was even used by artic explorers for meat and protection from Polar Bears. Gibbs of bristol did a hotted up version known as the .256 Gibbs Magnum:)

nope, my old man ain't o'conner.

Gatorbum started a classic and I think we scared him off. He has been stuck on 12 posts for days now. I guess he might have taken this thread a little too seriously too.

Dom.

22s have therye place and we hunters keep lookin for it all over in the hunting scene. when we start to stray and think maybe just maybe.its guys like you that reinforce an infasize to the general public that there are much better calibers out there to take deer sized game with. us other guys well never be helped. :rolleyes:


as far as model70, i think hes uptight(uptight might be the wrong word, straight to point maybe) or im just open minded to be able to have other calibers to have fun and play around with. i was givin the 270win as my first rifle, if i wasnt the person i am i might have never had any exsperince in other calibers. i like to play and i do it alot. ive had more varmit rifles then i needed over the years, but ive yet to get rif of any deer capable rigs, dont know what that has to do with any thing.

and as far as ribn him alittle. i say we should keep at it. sooner or later were gona see his sence of humor come rolling out. he is right on, the 270win is a perfect deer rifle. long range short range it can do it all, recoil is noticable but mild. it can take elk with good a blet and well placed shot. and you can turn around and shoot rock chucks and yotes with it. heck id plug a moose with mine if its all i had.. the 270 is perfect and has been for a very long time. theyre isnt anyone here in the us that would be lacking in most situations with a rifle in this caliber..

anyways we now have new knickname for model 70 yeah you guessed it. ill call him o'conner any chance i get.

Evan

wow, you're just so dang funny.:rolleyes:

Brithunter, I'm not sure I understand your wording, so I'll just ramble on a little here about my thoughts.

You can't classify the Roe or Muntjac in the same category as the North American Whitetail which is what is talked about in this thread -- and that's I'd bet why the triple duece or other cf 22s are legal for them, they are a lot smaller animal. I've got no argument with those deer. But, they ain't got the oomph or maybe for lack of a better word, power (jewels) to be classified to take Red deer legally and ethically, which is more in line with whitetail and muley sizes, especially in the harsher climates.

I don't know why the hunters in Ireland would have to pack up, guess I don't understand that question.

My point is why would someone recommend emphatically hunting animals with marginal weapons? You can't lump all hunters into one category knowing the capabilities and performance, not to mention shooting ability. Take a PH in Africa who hunts for a living. What he can and can't do with different calibers he knows. Given his ability, he could take umpteen elephants or lions with the hornet, but I'd bet my bottom line he's not going to recommend to his clients to bring their pet .22cf. Granted, that's a bit exagerated, but my point is 22cf's aren't intended for the average hunter to shoot NA Deer with, and for good reason.

If 22s are legal weapons where someone hunts, more power to 'em, it's just that I can't trump em up as the miracle perfect deer caliber. Actually, the perfect deer caliber is somewhat of a mythical thing, because as we all know, what's perfect to one is not perfect to the next, kinda like women ;-)

In Missouri, you can use any centerfire cartridge for deer. Used to be 224 with at least 60gr bullet.

I do know of a fellar that killed one with a 17 Rem, but I wouldnt try it. Heck, I know of alot of illegal spotlite deer that have fallen to a 22lr and 22 mag, for that matter.

O'Co, I mean, Model 70, :D , why dont you lighten up a bit. If you hadnt noticed, you got respect of everyone here that I have seen. This is all good fun. I really dont know how you take this so serious.

Have a little fun. ;)

Andy

where do you see the respect?

I once had a Ponch! Better known as a GTO (called the Green Machine) that was very quick on the track! I remember at Bristol Tenn. when she blew a rearend just before the finish line and still won. It had a 421 cu block punched out .60 over, Isky cam, crane heads, 2 x 2 Muncie 4 speed......running 2 x 4 Carbs on top a Wieland manifold.....pushing exhaust through a set of Jardine headers.

Now just so you know, super high velocity does not kill animals understand. It is that little lead and metal projectile called a bullet, that does the killing. Hydrostatic shock is great on paper but it doesn't penetrate vitals and do the killing, other wise a solid bullet would Not do it's job either!

Model 70,

I think almost everybody in this thread, including me, respects your opinion on the .270 Win and we also respect the cartridge itself. Heck, I own a Remington 700 in .270. Now, it isn't my favorite gun, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it on deer. Anyway, I hope your feelings aren't being hurt by the ribbing on here about the .270 Win. Just a bunch of opinions and a lot more joking.

?
 

why was the baby strawberry crying??



his mother got caught in a jam!


:D :p

Hi All,

Now Dom I pointed out that in Ireland due to changes in the Law there all the hunters had left was .22 cenrefire rifles, so they had to make do with what they were allowed. In Ireland the only Deer are Red Deer and Sika, possibly some Fallow but I am not sure on them:rolleyes: both Sika and Red are as large if not larger than the normal American Whitetail, Sika are especially know for hanging onto life.

I did not personally reccomend the .22's for Deer I only stated what was being used and what was required by law, heck I don't even own a .22 centrefire rifle. Even the Irish have come about to allowing rifles up to and including the 270 to be used now:p . I pointed this out as it was stated that the .22 was not capable of cleanly killing large Deer which is plainly not the case providing the shot is correctly placed. Hell even a poorly placed shot with the 300 WM will not drop a deer on the spot and it's likely to die a slow lingering death!

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You can't classify the Roe or Muntjac in the same category as the North American Whitetail which is what is talked about in this thread -- and that's I'd bet why the triple duece or other cf 22s are legal for them, they are a lot smaller animal. I've got no argument with those deer. But, they ain't got the oomph or maybe for lack of a better word, power (jewels) to be classified to take Red deer legally and ethically, which is more in line with whitetail and muley sizes, especially in the harsher climates.[quote]

Whilst Muntjac may be small there are a lot tougher than some larger Deer species, the Gamekeeper I shoot with witnessed one shot with a 30-06 using factory cartridges and the bullet which entered the proper spot just behind the foreleg did not exit:eek: but skidded around the ribcage like a mincer, leaving a awful mess inside.:rolleyes: An extreme case but it did happen, the deer didn't go very far either with it's heart & lungs all chewed up:confused:



Oh I am sorry I did not know that ONLY Whitetail was to be discussed :rolleyes , the forum is "rifles" and the thread says:-

"Perfect" deer caliber/rifle...lol......

Nowhere did I see WHITETAIL calibre/rifle but it says Deer and Muntjac, Red, Roe and Sika are all species of Deer: :p

We have Sika deer here in southern Maryland and I can tell you that they are a lot smaller than a Whitetail. For those deer, I think I could use my .220 Swift with a Barnes X bullet and not have a problem on them. I am assuming that the Sika deer here are the same as the ones in Ireland, but I could be wrong since you state that they are the same size as a Whitetail.

Now this thread is getting serious with the discussion of .22's and the size of deer.

We just might beat the Manbeef thread here since we have the laugh factor, the .270 factor, the .22 factor, and deer size factor. All the best topics of discussion rolled into one thread.

oh, the best whitetail cartridge, thats easy
 

the 35 whelen of course. pick 200, 225, or 250 gr and you have a dead animal out to 320 yards. easy on the meat too.

ps. only use if you like your deer to drop in its tracks!
:D ;) ;)

how's the recoil on that thing?;)

Hi fabsroman,

Sika stags go about 150 lbs in weight whch is smaller than Northern whitetails but larger than Southern ones so I understand. Now I don't understand what is so funny though.:rolleyes: some one a comment based on poor facts and logic so I thought it needed correcting;) . Oh I think you might find that there is more than one strain of Sika like there is more than one strain of Red Deer and Wapiti's.

I might get the chance of a Sika this September in Scotland, the hunt is for red Stags but there are a dew Sika in the area and they are game as well so who knows:p ;)

Been doing some research on the 7x57. It's amazing how close it is to the 270 in some respects.

As nearly as I can figure out from known numbers, a 7x57, loaded to full modern pressures, will push a .284" 140 grain bullet to 2900 fps.

The SAAMI spec for a 270, loaded with a .277", 140 grain bullet is 2950 fps.

There's just .008" difference in diameter, and 50 fps difference in MV. Of course, as bullet weight goes up, I would expect the difference between the two to widen some, because the 270 has more case capacity. But, all in all, these are two very similar cartridges.

So why is it the 270 "caught on", while the 7x57 didn't?

denton,,,,,,7x57
 

it seems that the 7mm-08 is really catching on in the last several years and i have read quite a few articles that say ballistically it is quite similar to the 7x57, just slightly smaller. who knows why one catches on and another very similar does not. i suppose mostly due to the firearm makers and their decisions.

as big as white tail, heck them things are tiny, id feel over gunned chasen whitetails around with my 22/250, hmmmmmm

seriously though ive traveld this country east coast to west coast and there is a very big size varition from reagion to region ot state to state or whatever youd call it.

ive seen little deer not much bigger than coyotes and deer that would be about like our muledeer.

a big muledeer and the 22/250 have no busness classing heads. the deer would have the advantage at the atart but the 250 would win slowly as the deer died a slow death.

when big deer are in the sites id much rather have any caliber but the 250.

but in other states id go hunting with the 250 likeit was my bread n butter. why shoot something that recoils when the game is small.

here in idaho im just mingling with the idea of useing the 250 on deer. well have to see what load development says to my idea. if the bullets dont shoot then the 250 will be out of the running. and O'cconer will agree with me when i go back to shootin 277 slugs at big game. ;)

Evan

Brithunter,

The laugh factor goes to the thread in its entirety. Gatorbum started this thread for a laugh and some of us have been going on the laugh factor ever since.

If you read my previous post, I stated that it is starting to get serious in here with the discussion of .22's and the size of deer. Nothing to laugh about with those subjects.

weve pretty much decided that we cant decide on one all around caliber. thanks goodness. its cool to be alittle difrent and have choices, and theres alot that walk right into being perfect deer calibers. now that weve got that figured out lets look at the perfect rifle desing.

something that you can pack around fairly easy isnt to light and has long range appeal.

the perfect all around rifle in my opion weighs in bout 8lbs unscopes, has 24" medium taper barrel. sporter stock in either walnut or laminted, heck even a good synthetic will work for me.

thats the perfect rig in my opion, the best of all worlds

perfect outfit
 

evan, id agree almost. to me the rifle should weigh no more than 8 lbs, fully scoped and rigged, with a very nice synthetic stock, such as hs precision, etc. like the 24 inch sporter for most calibers.

im only 35, but anymore i am really into light weight.
sold my 9-10 pounders years ago and couldn't be happier.