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I pledge allegiance to my flag of the United States of America and to the rupublec for which it stands one Nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all........What is this I hear they say this offends people in our schools by saying this every morning?....They want to do away with it? I would think that the only ones it might offend are those that are either illegal or just foreign getting a better education while VISITING America. Visiting. Now I don't remember anyone in the foreign countries lowering the flag because I was there. This is America and why shouldn't we pledge allegiance to our flag?.....After all we do live in America...and it is Americas flag..Just like the Canadian or French or where ever.....Love it or leave it......Under God...why remove this?..Maybe you worship the sun...maybe a cow..maybe a tree..maybe the big guy upstairs...they are all somones god..so under god can be understood while saying it to be the god you worship....right?...I think too many people just don't have enough to do and want to stir the pot....lol...God Bless America....Thank a Vet


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skeeter

your assumption of god is the correct one, however some judges have not been able to grasp that concept yet.

these idiots always complain about the constitution and separation of church and state. i'm not being forced into any religion if i don't want to be. how about you?

this nation is formed on judeo christiam beliefs, if they don't like it get the hell out. of course that will never fly with the socialist/democrats.

republic I mean....oops.....and have a nice day

the last I checked we were pledging allegence to Flag and country not god. It p****s me off everytime I hear something about it. We've been doin' this for years. I can't believe the crap people worry about when there are far more important things goin' on in this country. Two major hurricanes in four weeks for starters. I could keep goin' but would prob. shorten the life on my keyboard even more.

Atheist are the ones with the problem.If they don't like it get the hell out.Pun intended.

Just to play devils advocate... the ORIGINAL pledge was WITHOUT the phrase "under God". That was added in 1954. I am VERY patriotic. Served in the Navy. Still cry at EVERY Star Spangled Banner that I hear. Always have.

I really don't care one way or the other if it's in there or not. I do get tired of being preached at ALL the time by bible thumpers. I am strong enough to not be threatened by it.

If ya'll elected me benevolent dictator for life I'd take it out. It wasn't there ORIGINALLY, and to me it's not a big deal. I'd leave the 10 commandments on the courthouse walls and lawn though. Heck... even I believe in 5 of them. 6-10 Lie, steal, kill, adultery, and covet. And I am luke warm about #5. Mothers and Fathers do not automatically deserve honor. There are some REAL dirtbags that have procreated.

My relationship with God isn't anyone elses business. It's between us. As I believe it SHOULD be with everyone.

We're in a war right now because there are people fanatically following a perversion of faith. They are just as sure they are right as ya'll are sure thet YOU'RE right.

Me... I'm not sure who's right. Personally, I think most mainstream religions got it wrong. I don;t believe in a loving God that's gonna condemn major populations of humanity because they were born in the wrong region and brainwashed to believe in the wrong perversion of faith.

I hope this ain't enough to get me banned. But my goodness... there needed to be an opposing voice in this thread. Ya'll were getting hateful.

Jabba

Thank You Jabba!

Tall Shadow

Jabba is the Immanuel Kant of this board.And that's a good thing.:)

That dude is WAY weirder than I am. I am a simple man. Immanuel Kant is... I don;t even know how to describe him.

For me... 5 minutes of Kant is a GUARANTEED nap.

Jabba

"Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage. Tutelage s man's inability to make use of his understanding without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude! "Have courage to use your own reason!"- that is the motto of enlightenment.

Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why so great a portion of mankind, after nature has long since discharged them from external direction (naturaliter maiorennes), nevertheless remains under lifelong tutelage, and why it is so easy for others to set themselves up as their guardians. It is so easy not to be of age. If I have a book which understands for me, a pastor who has a conscience for me, a physician who decides my diet, and so forth, I need not trouble myself. I need not think, if I can only pay - others will easily undertake the irksome work for me. "

from What is Enlightenment? or perhaps Valium for the Soul might be a better modern title.

:D :D :D

skeeter im with you 100% but Jabbas comment that his relationship with God is between them is stupid and I aint usually one to judge but if you have a relationship with christ you will want to share it with others and be proud of it.

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Well personally I think it should stay. But I also feel i can say the pledge anyway I want to. That is the great thing about this country. I still think the Judges have got the whole thing wrong. The separation of Church and State means only that there shall be NO state sponsored or state dictated religion...such as Henry the eigth did in England. My forebears came from a protestant England because of the persecution they endured because they were catholic. Being catholic in England in the late 1600's wasn't a fun thing.

Now as to the comment by Tide 12 about Jabba's comment being stupid.... Well Tide that is another nice thing about this country. You may have the right to say that...but Jabba has the right to practice his religion in the manner that best suits him. I may not agree with his rendition of religious beliefs or yours for that matter but your comment was out of line. Not flaming you...but look at it and see how you would feel if someone told you your way of thinking was stupid. That shoe may not fit so well.
The commandment about not killing.... Actually reads thou shall not commit murder. Using the killing way means you couldn't even kill a mosquito and god allowed the killing of sheep etc in tribute to him. So killing holds no water...whereas murder makes a lot of sense...Just my take on it...translated from the jewish version of course.

Also the bible doesn't say that God is going to condemn all the unbelievers. The way I read the bible they will have a chance at life eternal after being resurrected...before the devil gets turned loose again after a thousnad years. Nuff thumping on the bible fer certain

My whole story was about what we were doing when saying the pledge....we are doing a salute to OUR flag..the flag of our Country...as others do to THEIRS....Not doing a salute to a god. Whoever your god is is between you and them, it, him or her...I just don't see what the big deal is in removing it from the pledge because #1 there are more important things that should be in the courts.....#2..the word God does not state ANY certain religion...the only one I have problems with is the one that says if you murder' thousands of innocent people you will move on to a better place...I believe in my God and even listen to those that come around on sunday doing their thing because who am I to say MY way is the correct way to believe...wouldn't it be something if that turned out to be the wrong way it is?..On the other hand, going to church to me is supporting a business and a chance to show off your new caddy or truck or your new dress...I believe in my God and although it is a good thing that churches suport programs that help others in need, so do lots of other programs...we just don't need a government or political figure to say what we can and can't do because it offends one person...It is time our government does what it was intended to do...it is way off track and out of control....is it our government or is it just those in it for a living?..Those with the hurray for me and f$$$ you...an easy way to get a good retirement check?....If you were in charge, what changes would you make? I would make it an automatic 1 year in armed services..get your basic, MOS and serve the rest of the time working at it..then make everyone keep their rifle at home so we have our well formed ARMY ready to defend our Country and our Flag...Sound like someplace we know?...the rest of the time we can use it to hunt...( I had to put that in there to keep this a hunting chat anything goes forum) I would bring our boys and girls home from the world and make it clear..threat of nuke or not, you better police your own ranks because if anyone pulls something like 911 again we will erasy you from the earth....Nuke war because of that?..Doubt it because they don't want to leave the earth any more than we do...stalemate....

I'm not gonna flame either.

I said NOTHING about Christ. I said my relationship with God was personal.

The terrorist muslims are every bit as sure, if not more so, that THEY are right and YOU are stupid.

Personally I think you are BOTH wrong. That's my perrogative.

Jabba

Folks, thanks for keeping this civil - so far.

I'll just remind y'all that patriotism and religion are tricky subjects anywhere, and this thread contains both.

Disagreement doesn't mean that either side is wrong.