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jon lynn 06-20-2008 03:57 PM

British .303
 
I found a .303 that looks like a Springfield, but I can't see much except for British Crown type stamps, and a flower stamp on the top of the action, and barrel.

The bore looks okay, but the muzzle will defenantly need some polishing. They want $200 even.


They also have a Stevens 200 in .308 for $260, and an NEF Ultra in .243 for $225.

But being the oddball I am, the .303 calls me. How much you think it might cost to have it machined for scope bases?

Your opinions please.

Joe Boleo 06-20-2008 04:11 PM

It depends
 
Is the rifle in original military condition, or has it been sporterized? That .303 that looks like a Springfield may be an Enfield P-14 the was made by Winchester, Remington and Eddystone for Great Britain in WWI.

There are "no drill" mounts available from S& K Insta-Mounts that will fit that rifle. If the rifle is still in military condition, it is worth much more without holes drilled in the receiver. Take care...
Joe

Adam Helmer 06-20-2008 05:19 PM

jon lynn,


What model .303 Rifle are you talking about?
Look on the left side of the receiver for any model designations such as "No.4. Mk1*". Also look at the metal stock connecting band below the bolt knob for additional information.

If you have a MkIII, scoping it will be expensive. If you have a No.4, Mk1, there are no drill mounts you can use for a scope. By the time you drill and tap this old war horse and recrown the muzzle, you would be better off buying a used sporter rifle in the caliber of your choice.

Adam

jon lynn 06-20-2008 05:38 PM

I'll stop back by tommorow and write every number and mark I can find. The pawn shop guy did say Eddystone.

But I am not looking for it to save as a military rifle, I want to sporterize it. I guess it's a sentemental replacment for the Mauser I sporterized in Germany.

Catfish 06-20-2008 07:22 PM

You should slug the barrel also. The bores in the old British army rifle went from .311 to .313 as I recall. I have been seeing the VZ 24 Mausers at gun shows for under $ 100 and one of these would be better to sportarize in my oppenion. I just took the stock off of one and am going to rebarrel it to .35 Whelen. Mid-Way has so barrels on sale now so I thought I would try one.

jon lynn 06-21-2008 02:55 PM

Okay, got all the info on the .303

on the right hand side of receiver:

ERA
Serial number


On the left side Barrel
MADE IN USA, stamped over something I can’t read and two tiny stamps before the “303”and a tiny number 4 after, then BM in a circle with three lines coming out of the top.

On the left side of receiver:
An arrow pointing left then’ NETR PROOF’ stamped over a stamp of G&R with two crossed flags with an “F” under the flags, then a circle stamp with HM in it and a crown on top, then a perfectly legible arrow/and the “G&R” over the crossed flags and F on the bottom

Adam Helmer 06-21-2008 04:02 PM

jon lynn,

It sounds like you have a P-14 Enfield in .303 caliber.

Adam

jon lynn 06-21-2008 05:55 PM

Is it worth $200 as is? In your opinions?

GoodOlBoy 06-23-2008 08:41 AM

If you like 303s yes I think it is worth it (Though I would try to talk the price down a bit more, but thats me)

I like 303s, I just don't own one.

GoodOlBoy

wrenchman 06-23-2008 10:38 AM

in my area the actions them self are going for more then 200.

gumpokc 06-23-2008 05:24 PM

Jon, the .303 or the .308 would work well for what you want to do with it, and not alot of difference between them in performance.

the .308 may have _slightly_ better availability, but you shouldnt have to look too hard around here to find .303 ammo.

I know you were looking at 91/30's for abit, all three are roughly equal. The differences in between them show up more on paper then in normal usage.

jon lynn 06-25-2008 05:56 PM

Hey Gump!

I gave up on the 91/30's the secret is out, they aint cheap no more. I keep steering back to a simple NEF in .243 or .308 and then all I have to do is slap my VX-II on it because the Weaver rings are still on it.

I never reason with the cost of a rebuilding project, from machine work and a new stock from Boyds, then the must have new trigger from timney it adds up, I might as well just keep it simple.

Brithunter 07-16-2008 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jon lynn
Okay, got all the info on the .303

on the right hand side of receiver:

ERA
Serial number


On the left side Barrel
MADE IN USA, stamped over something I can’t read and two tiny stamps before the “303”and a tiny number 4 after, then BM in a circle with three lines coming out of the top.

On the left side of receiver:
An arrow pointing left then’ NETR PROOF’ stamped over a stamp of G&R with two crossed flags with an “F” under the flags, then a circle stamp with HM in it and a crown on top, then a perfectly legible arrow/and the “G&R” over the crossed flags and F on the bottom

It's an Eddystone manufactured P-14 rifle and that's NITRO PROOF!

It should also have 303 2.222" 18 Tons

Which is standard British proof marking.

dakotah 07-16-2008 10:44 AM

I have a 303 P-14 and I am keeping it military. The case holds a little more than the 308 Winchester. I load this 303 more than the loads printed for the SMLE's -- it is a stronger action and has front locking lugs - so less case stretch. The brass I use holds up excellently -- so far no failures.

I got a good price on it - less than $200. But I have seen these going for $300 and more.

Since I don't shoot factory loads very often - rarely. The lack of factory loads doesn't make much difference to me. I think that I am using Speer 150 grain bullets currently (without checking for sure.)


The SMLE's can be bought very cheaply on auctions - on the WEB.

DON WALKUP 07-20-2008 04:41 PM

i had a .303 in full military furniture that would hold a 3" group at 100 yards. (off of sandbags, of course) it was the later model no 4 with the fold up micrometer leaf-sight. that was with the old milsurp ammo, too...handloads might have done better.

if i recall correctly... B-sqare offers(ed) a scope mount that mounted to the side of the reciever didn't they? it had to be drilled and tapped but could be done in a good garage workshope with a good drill press and solid vise. (i could be wrong about this so research b-sqare and see)


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