Mr Roy's Rant!!!!
 

Ok kiddies, its time to learn about our new friend the widdle woof....

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I take it that you are irate that Idaho is trying to teach people about wolves instead of exterminating them. If I were you, I would be hoping for a management type of hunt that allowed hunters to take a certain number of wolves every year. I don't think I would be interested in killing a wolf or a big cat, but I can understand your view because I wouldn't hesitate to kill a bear. I have killed plenty of foxes and probably wouldn't hesitate to kill a coyote if given the chance. Just found out that we have coyotes in Rock Creek Park which is in the middle of Washington, DC.

For some reason, I just have some serious respect for wolves and big cats. I've had calendars of them on my wall for several years. Don't ask me why. Kind of like people asking me why I like to hunt. If you don't understand, there is nothing I can say that will make you understand.

gee

i feel so warm and fuzzy all over.

what a bunch of propaganda. herr goebbels would be proud.

Fabs,

Not irrate due to not exterminating vs teaching. I have no hard feelings that way.

I notice the same tendency to "sell" the wolf thing from a single view point to the youth of the state.

The inferrences are similar to that animal movie coming out today or tomorrow. I don't like what I see there either. It might be a fun flick but when we place human tendencies in animal characters or wolves we are doing someone an injustice.

It's not that I 'mind' wolfes themselves, but the manner in which they were unleashed and continue to be promoted.

Roy, I think I share your views pretty closely. I don't have a deep seated hate for wolves. I don't want to kill them all, but I didn't agree at all with reintroducing them in areas where they haven't been for 100 years. Not at all. Man has screwed up the whole ecosystem so much that introducing wolves is going to have an entirely different impact than it did when they used to be there. To much development has impacted the areas where game animals live, especially in the winter time. I don't like to see this propoganda geared towards our youth though, telling them at a young age how special wolves are and getting all warm & fuzzy. If you want to see it even worse, go to the International Wolf Center in Ely, MN. I've been there, I was expecting some general information on wolves in the ecosystem and they did that, but it is almost a cult like worship of them. I've seen it in Jackson, Wyoming too.

I find myself having to defend myself, and maybe I sound selfish, but I don't like having to compete as a hunter with an unlimited, completely protected wolf population. Sound selfish ? Sorry. I know upland bird hunters that promote shooting fox and other predators, I know waterfowl hunters that promote shooting skunks & racoons and other predators that eat eggs on the nest and they don't have to apologize to anybody. Nobody feels bad if someone shoots a coyote, but suggest killing a wolf and it's a different story.

I don't like reintroduced wolves, bad idea. Now that they're there I wish the Feds would turn over control to the states to manage them as a game/trophy animal. There's no better way to manage a population than through legal sport hunting. It gives some folks (mostly non-hunters) warm & fuzzy feelings that it is a natural ecosystem to have all these large predators managing the ecosystem so hunters aren't necessary anymore. I don't mind hearing or seeing a wolf in the wild, but by wild I mean truly wild where they've always been like Alaska, Canada and parts of Northern Minnesota. I've seen them in all these places and it's exciting. I've also seen a reintroduced wolf in Wyoming, it looked like something that escaped from a zoo. These are a strain from Canada, not the true wolf that used to live in the west.

I agree completely with the sport hunting of the wolves as soon as their population size allows, and that might actually be right now. I'm not a biologist, so I wouldn't know one way or another.

Yeah, I am a waterfowl hunter and I do shoot foxes whenever I have the opportunity. With that said, there is a fox season here in Maryland, but I have no idea what the actual dates are.

Somehow, I am willing to bet that foxes and coyotes are a little more numerous than wolves. Heck, I have two foxes that roam this little 5 acre wetland that we have between condo buildings and townhouses. It bothers the hell out of me that they are out there because Nitro almost got into it with one of them once. The fox had the brains to get out of dodge before Nitro could catch him though.

Deer cause the same issue around here, but most of the people are in support of their reduction/killing. Deer are the main cause of auto accidents in the county I live in.

Let me explain a little something about the wolf and it's reintroduction. The wolf was wiped out because of human ignorance and the bleediung heart idiots that thought that "predators are bad" any animal that is killing other animals that man is using for food needs to be wiped of the face off the earth. 100 years ago the wolf was in direct competition with man for food. Elk, deer, and many furbearer species so man as a whole decided to wipe the wolf off the map. This was a piss poor way to handle things and now the wolf has been reintroduced and is on the Federally protected species list. Hurray for the wolf.

The ONLY thing Idaho has to do to open up a managed hunting season is come up with a Federally approved Game plan to keep the wolf population in check without getting carried away and risking the wolve's future.

I am not going to go into this very deep but knowing what I know and considering the source of my information I am going to go out on a limb here and say that anyone in IDAHO that is complaining about the wolf population in one form or another needed to be on top of sending their politicians letters and EMails and being pro-active over the past few years or they really do not have a whole lot of room to be complaining. Tell your politicians and your Wild life Managment Departments to get off their butts and get that Wolf Management program together and get it approved by the Fed, Wildlife management folk.

That is all Thanks for the time

DaMadman,

Many in Idaho, Wyoming and Montana were vocal to the local and State politicians. It did no good. Reintroduction was going to happen regardless.

It would have been well if the resident wolf population could have been increased. I wonder why they did not increase on their own over the decades previous to reintroduction.

Since reintroduction was with the Canadian Grey Wolf instead of with the one that was native to the area the ones that were native to the state have become extinct. They have all been killed by the larger 're'introduced wolf.

Additionally, management of the wolf in Idaho is under state control.

The first wolf shot under the new rules was killed by a rancher in Driggs last week. Everything done was inaccordance with the rules of engagement as documented by the subsequent investigation. As said on TV, it was a good shoot.

Madman. Pardon me, but I have a tendency to disagree with some of what you say. I have no clue as to the wolf situation in Idaho, but if it is anything like what's happening here in Arizona, methinks we hunters have been given short shrift. :mad:
The ecofreaks, bunny huggers and certain government agencies have conspired to reintroduce an animal that is a game killing machine. Consider this, especially if you like to hunt.Wolves kill game in competition with hunters. In certain parts of Arizona where wolves have been reintroduced, big game, IE deer and elk populations have gone into a slow but very steady decline. Part of it can probably be attributed to our now very severe drought, but wolf depredation has also taken a large toll on the game. On my last elk hunt, I not only saw a pack of wolves, but actually had them tracking me. It was close to dusk and I was walking up a logging road when I notced them just off the road sticking to cover maybe 15 to 20 fet away. I'm thinking, "Wow! Cool, look at the wolves." I then decided as it was getting a bit too dark to take a responsible shot to head back down the road to where my friends were waiting for me. When I reversed course, so did the wolves. When I got close to where my friends were talking and laughing, they melted off into the underbrush.
Now this question has to come up. Were they just curious, or were they stalking me? Damned if I know. I wasn't too worried about their presence until I realized that when I headed back down the road, so did they. The rifle I was carrying that day felt mighty comforting, especially as it was getting quite dark.
The next day, my freinds had to leave, so there was just my wife and I left in camp. We hunted through most of the day without seeing any sign of elk. We'd stopped by camp to rest up a bit and havwe a bit of lunch. A rancher stopped by asking if we'd seen a stray cow, and he described the markings. It turned out that we had seen the animal and directed him to where we'd seen it early that morning.
That night, about nine o'clock, we heard a terrible squalling that came from some animal in horrible pain. It lasted for maybe fifteen minutes, then all was quiet. The next morning, we took a walk towards the general area where the noise came from and found what was left of the cow the rancher was looking for. It wasn't pretty.
I guess my point is, if the wolves decimate the big game herds to the point where hunting by humans is no longer possible, then the damned eco-freak bunny huggers have won. To me this is not acceptable.
I teach Hunter Ed classes, and we have people from Game & Fish come by and give lectures on game management and game laws. Privately, they're telling me that the wolves are starting to become a serious threat to the big game herds. From what I hear on other sites that I go to, this is becoming a serious problem where ever those wolves have been introduced.
It has been said that no big game animal has even been endangered due to sport hunting. Maybe it is due time to make the wolf a big game animal to keep the numbers in check.
JMHO.
Paul B.

I could see what was going to happen when the reintroduction of wolves in the west was forced upon the people who live there. It was done to make the city living wolf lovers feel good.

Reintroduction of a predator with out an allowance for population control is idiotic. The wolf has more rights than the people that have to put up with them. (Brings to mind an other sour subject of illegals having more rights than American Citizens)

Alaska has been trying to start aerial hunting wolves again due to an out of control wolf population that is decimating the moose and caribou in areas. Aerial hunting is the only practical method in the vast lands of Alaska to control the wolves. The trappers of Alaska can not do it.

Every time they AFG tries to start aerial hunting some do gooders from the outside has to stick there nose in to Alaska's business and get it stopped. A good share of the citizens of Alaska rely on the moose and caribou of the state for there subsistence.

Princess line has more than once threatened to pull out of Alaska's tourist industry if these hunts were allowed. With the multi millions of $$$ Princess has in investments in hotels there is no way they would pull out and lose that. Just another ploy to stop the hunts.

I got a run down from a friends granddaughter at supper last night about the new BAMBI II movie. By the sounds of things the newest edition might be more out of line to reality than the first one. POOR brain washed kids that will see it.

Michigan Wisconsin and Minn were given the OK to start looking at control of the wolves but some bunny huggggin judge put a stop to that.

Okay, I take issue to those of you that want to exterminate the wolf and/or think that its reintroduction was a mistake because they compete with us for game. At the end of the day, we need to think more like Teddy Roosevelt and we need to think about game conservation for the next generation rather than just what we ourselves have to shoot.

Now, game management will be needed. Elk were pretty much decimated in several areas and they were reintroduced. Whitetails were decimated in Maryland, but they have made a huge comeback and now they are causing huge crop damage and property damage (i.e., car accidents). Of course, it is now the deer hunter's hey day in Maryland, but everybody's interests need to be taken into consideration. Yeah, it was initially fun for people to say "Oh, look at the cute deer in the front yard." Now, they are saying "Oh my, look at the darn deer in the front yard eating the $1,000 landscaping. Get the gun." We have the same issue with resident canada geese. They were reintroduced several years ago and now they are a serious problem. The season comes in this year a month early and starts August 1 with a 15 bird limit and unplugged guns.

No game managers or bunny huggers want to lose all the elf, mule deer, caribou, moose, and whitetails, much less fido or fiffee, to the wolves. There are rancher interests involved and public safety too. Eventually, they will start to allow the hunting of wolves, but I find that the game managers are always a little behind on when to allow hunting and/or increase the bag limit. The wolves will kill a lot of elk and other animals before they start to allow hunting, but they will.

As far as Court cases are concerned, they tried to do the same thing in Maryland when they opened bear season again after several years of no bear hunting. The Judge held in favor of the hunting, and so should all Judges if the game authorities recommend it.

At the end of the day, I am entirely against professional hunting of wolves or anything else, but we do have it in Maryland with professional snipers killing whitetails at night. Whitetails are just a huge problem here, but there has been some serious crying from the tree huggers about the professional snipers.

If you guys want more hunting, go out and hunt the wolves when hunting is opened if there aren't as many elk. We need to keep in mind that hunting is not a necessity for most, but game preservation, of every species, is a necessity.

hey fabs

i'm sure if ya'll wrote ol' roy a real nice letter he'd send ya some wolfies.

they'd take real quick care of that abundant deer herd you got there.

plus that the wolfies multiply like rabbits and the state of maryland could sell them to other states and make mucho bucks.

if you read the lewis and clark journals and listen closely, there were areas of montana and north dakota where there was no game to eat. now this was sometime before any white settlers explored the area. gee, now how could that be?

at the same time there were plenty of bear and wolf sightings. hummmmm. after the settlers came to the west and killed off most of the wolfies and bears game animals like mule deer, whitetails and elk flourished. again, hummmmmmmmm.

in 2002 there were many sightings of mountain lions here in north dakota. although our astute fish and game department denied it. so guess what happens last year? thats right, f&g decided we needed a season on them.

now what the hell are mountain lions doing in north dakota? the place is as flat as grandmas ironing board and if were not for the curvature of the earth we could see gt. falls, montana from here.

how'd they get here? near as anybody can tell they caught the shuttle flight out of denver headed for minneapolis. :rolleyes:

no, they were pushed out of their habitat in wyoming and came through the black hills area. why? supposedly the reintroduction of wolves in wyoming that stole the cats easy pickings. those few wolves they turned loose in yellowstone now number almost 800 according to the last number i read. at reproductive rates like those get ready for a visit by wolves to a neighborhood near you. but they are soooooooo cute and lovable.

Managed populations of large predators are a must...you can see whats been happening down here when the management gets sloppy....

Fabs,

The reason that so many people in the wolf reintroduction area feel that the reintroduction was a mistake is that they know that it will be next to impossibble to get permission to controll the dang things once they are there.

As far as what the "judges should do" as far as any wildlife issue is concerned even if it is supported by biological data is a joke. Should do and do do is two different things. The judge that put the cabosh on being able to control the wolves in Wi, Minn and Mi was in some western state far removed from the area that the judgement concerned.

When will this wolf season you dream about happen? After the elk deer and moose hears are decimated.

Maybe we can transplant a few wolves down to Fla to controll those nasty gators!!

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the states to get the go ahead for a hunting season on wolves. There has been a huntable population of Grizzly Bears in the Yellowstone ecosystem for 20 years and I have only heard brief talk of allowing a couple tags to the highest bidder. Far as I'm concerned there should be a drawing for Wyoming residents for 90% of the tags and then 10% for non-residents. Charge about the same as for sheep or moose tags. There are about 5 times more grizzly bears now than when the last season was held in the 1970's.

Didn't mean to change the subject from wolves, I just wanted to point out that once there is a huntable population, don't expect a season on them too soon. Minnesota reached it's population goal 20 years ago and I haven't heard anything new about a possible season yet.

It is impossible to explain "people."

Without man in the mix, I am sure the predators and prey would work out their situation just fine. Wolves would die off from starvation, etc. as prey animals became less abundant. However, man has entered the scene and screwed everything up.

Most of the deer in this area would die from starvation if it weren't for farmer's crops and homeowner's landscaping. Until recently, they have had absolutely no predators, but now there have been several coyote sitings. Don't know how well they will kill deer though. Do coyotes need to be regulated? Sure. One of them killed my buddy's jack russell about 7 years ago. If I could have caught him in the field, I would have killed him myself.

What is really sad is that the people making decisions for us are not the ones in the know. As hunters, we are in the field a lot more than them. So, you need to make sure that the ones in power know. Write your legislature.

If I am not mistaken, the federal government just gave the management of wolves to the state. Am I correct about this? Now, it would be the state's turn to step up to the plate and devise a decent population control plan.

As far as introducing wolves in Maryland, there would be way too many dead dogs, cattle, etc. Maryland does not have wide open spaces like out west. There are a few places that wolves MIGHT be able to live in Maryland, but they are few and far between. We don't have a lot of 1,000+ acre farms out here.

You are right the Feds did give the states of Mich Minn and Wisconsin the right to manage there wolves. I am not sure if it included the western states.

The problem is some dang judge put a stop to the states managing the wolves. I am not sure but I think that the judge was out west some where. A judge knows more about wildlife management than the professionals?????

Those coyotes can do a good job of controlling the fawn crop. Just let the coyotes go uncontrolled and you will soon find out how thick they will get. That way you will know what the people are going thru with the wolves only with a smaller predator.

Two years ago the group that hunts the township (36 sq. miles) I live in with hounds killed over 100 yotes during the winter. This year we had almost no snow so the kill was way down. I can not imagine how many yotes we have out there this spring.

wolfies and ol griz
 

The only answer is the old SSS rules of engagement. Now that I am out here in Wyoming..talking to the local people I have a clearer handle on the problem...the answer is S-S-S. It is too late to debate the usefulness of introduction...they be here. Abd the money that comes from the P-R fund won't be given back to the government. The fact of the matter is the US gummit has the states blackmailed with money and government land. They control the purse strings..so use the only option left! Fabs...after talking with a few of the people around here in Wy...It's really apparent that the wolf introduction was a very bad idea

That has been happening in the UP of Michigan. Except the last S has been left out of the equation a few times.

They found a radio collar in the bottom of a river when it went into the mortality mode. This winter some one hung a dead wolf over a DNR office sign.

Skeet, the reintroduction of wolves wasn't a bad idea. The subsequent managing of the wolf population has been bad. Same thing goes for canada geese in Maryland. Yeah, it is great to have them around here and to provide waterfowlers with a great opportunity, but the management has been pretty bad. They should have upped the bag limits years ago. Problem is that the situation has to get pretty bad before people/DNR start figuring it out. Same thing with deer in Maryland. When I first started hunting them, people were appaulled. Now, I hunt near a mountain bike trail and the bikers usually point me to where the deer are when they see me wearing blaze orange. I have heard comments from these bikers such as "Hope you get all of them." Mind you, most of these mountain bike people are the nature loving freaks. Of course, I am a mountain biker myself. Personally, I believe there is room for everybody on this Earth if Man does his/her job to control population growth of himself and the animals. Your moving to Wyoming is part of the problem. My wanting to move further north in Maryland and buy a 5 acre lot is part of the problem. Humans are moving into these rural areas where the wolves and other animals live. There just needs to be better management of all the wildlife.

By the way, congrats on the move out to Wyoming. You should have let me know when you were moving so that we could get together for another clay shooting extravaganza.

What do you have to shoot on your new place? Might have to come over there this winter.

I am about as pro hunting as it gets guys and gals, but all you ANTI Wolf folk are #1 mixing apples and oranges, #2 repeating and spreading half truths, #3 just all around not being very open minded.

I don't really have the time or the energy to debate the points right now so I will leave you with this.

Most of you don't want the wolves, either think they shouldn't have been reintroduced or think they should be all but wiped out because they are (according to you) hurting the Elk and deer population and making it hard for you to hunt.


Well let's put it in perspective.

Let's say that the WOLF was never decimated by inconsiderate humans and the "natural population" was grown to the point it is now. Hmm Let's say instead of killing out some of the WOLVES to make sure there are enough ELK and DEER for us humans to hunt, How about we say. Everyone has to quit hunting so there are enough ELK and DEER for the WOLVES to eat.

the reason I capitalized the WOLF, ELK and DEER is because they are the original part of the equation. They have been on this earth long before man interfered. They will balance each other. They don't get greedy and kill more than they "NEED", they kill to sustain life. On the other hand, HUMANS are greedy by nature. Humans as a species will kill thinks just for sport, not for food or not for clothing, but just to say we killed it. Just because it is competing for the same game animal we are hunting.

Anyway I digress I don't have anymore time or patients right now to discuss this.

But keep what I said in mind, how about instead of killing off the WOLF population to make more ElK and DEER for humans. How about telling the HUMANS they can't hunt the ELK and DEER so there are enough for the WOLF to eat.

I would hate to see it go that way myself because I think that there can be a balance that will make all involved happy. But in that balance you aren't going to be able to kill a DEER or ELK everytime you walk in the woods. You are going to have to "HUNT " for an ELK or DEER just like the WOLVES do. Could take Days, could Take a week or more.... Right now in Maryland the Deer pop. is so outragious that I could probably kill 3-4 deer every day I chose to hunt if I hunted all the different places that I have permission to hunt.

Aaaah I could write all day and not change anyone's mind so I'll quit now before my hands hurt anymore from typing a pointless thread.

Bottom line is I absolutely love to hunt, I love to eat what I kill and unless I have a specific reason to kill something I don't plan to eat I probably ain't going to kill it. I also love to watch the animals in the natural state, study then and watch the interesting things they do when they think there are no humans around to see. Mind you I have shot a fox or two in my day, I have shot many crows for being in my garden. I am not totally against killing a Wolf "IF" it endangering you or your family or if it is killing your live stock.
I don't think that the WOLF population should be thinned to near nothing so that greedy humans can hunt DEER and ELK more conveniently. Humans are smart enough and know enough to have a balance.

I'm not getting into it, because there's merrit to both sides.However, the anthropomorphism is something I annot tolerate. Depicting wild carnivores as cartoon characters gets people killed (ironically, more adults than kids I'll bet).
I still contend that the best management tools are Lorettas Lynn's little pills.:D

Fabs truer words were never spoken....it has been a cluster you know what here with the gators, now you know thats what I am into but God only knows what they have done with the other wildlife...I can tell you this though...we had some fricken little bird called the scrub jay or some such thing...ok make a long story short ..Florida decided to make it endangered....they red-tagged peoples property who they say "pairs were nesting on" do you have any idea what red-tagging property does to the property owner? Anyway you could have the tag lifted if you paid to buy equilavant acreage in a state park!!!!Are you walkin with me...so lets say in 1974 you bought 10 acres of land in Florida...you built on 5 and now your lookin to sell that 5 for retirement, extra income , take your choice... but the state red tagged it. you cant sell it or deed it you cant do crap on it, because this scrubjay has been noted as nestin there...to lift the tag, you needed to buy 5 acres from the state . at a huge dollar by the way....then once you did that, you could go in and torch your property for all the state cared...it was blackmail pure and simple,,,,

Oh and I left out a story here...there was a guy by the name of Bill Haast in Miami since I think the 40's or 50"s he ran the Miami serpentarium...very famous here...milked snakes provided anti-venom etc...well he closed up shop in Miami and moved about 2 miles from the man I described above...then this freak..let loose from his property, cobras all kind of exotics when he was done with them or couldn't find the room for them, no body knows but all of a sudden Punta Gorda was over-ridden by exotics....now my friend is famous, he was the first man in the fishing hall of fame, famous for shooting, and my friend is a huge bird hunter with very expensive bird dogs...he lost two bird dogs to cobras, which are not native to Florida, he deduced that Bill Haast was releasing these snakes and his bird dogs were victims of some of these releases..he made a stink to anyone who would listen...accused Bill Haast in the paper etc for mismanagement of his exotics....next thing ya know, his property was red-tagged....and so was anyone Else's that complained about Bill's presence in Punta Gorda...

Ps My friend spent 57, 000 dollars in attorneys fees, before some guy at fish and game said in a whisper by the way, "John its a loosin battle, pay for the states property and we will make it all go away"...

Wolves etc
 

What you all have missed in this thread(at least the pro people like Damadman)is that the wolves that were introduced were not the native species.. They were a much larger and more aggressive Canadian wolf...which have subsequently almost killed off the native wolves. The native wolves were a bit smaller prairie wolf. If you look at it realistically you will understand that the introduced animals are a completely different breed of animal. The native animals were expanding their range anyway..just not fast enough for the animal/tree hugger types. As the anti bear hunters in Md...they don' have to live with the bears. But the people out there that live with them know most of the facts. I left you a message before I left, FabsHave Pheasants chukars huns turkey deer and I'm not sure if there are Antelope back on the BLM. Doves up the wazzoo as well as more rabbits than I care to see...Oh..lots of ground skwerls and some Pdogs too. Ducks and geese in the area. Saw a few moose up in the Bighorn the other day. One nice bull and a couple of scrubs...Elk up there too. I'll call soon when I find your card again. All packed up

Skeet,

Sent you a pm. I agree that a larger/different species should never have been introduced, but they were. Man learns another lesson. Problem is that I seriously doubt they could every be eradicated, so why not open a "hunting", not extermination, season on them? Hunters get another game animal to pursue at possibly a different time of the year, the elk get a little reprieve from humans and wolves, and the wolf population gets controlled to some degree. They could even make a one week or two week period where the only thing to hunt is wolves. Kind of like Maryland with its first week of firearm season where the only thing else you can hunt is sea ducks.

Great idea Fabs, legal sport hunting would never eradicate them, but would keep them at a more realistic level.

The moose would sure thank you, no season in the Thorofare for the first time in many, many years.


Skeet, thanks for clearing up the fact that this is NOT the same native species that was living in the west.

For wolves to coexist with man, it requires an almost unlimited free range, especially winter range. Man screwed up the Jackson Hole herd, (and most of the Yellowstone ecosystem) back in the 20's when they developed on their winter range, this made the feedgrounds necessary. Wolves in an ecosystem with game animals depending on a feedground is not a good situation.

The Jeannie is out of the bottle now, I don't like it, but I would rather have a wolf sighting an exciting, rare event instead of the norm.

That is the way I feel about whitetails. I would rather we need to hunt for them hard than need to watch out for them while driving at night.

Fabsroman,
If you need info on how to eradicate your deer herd just get a hold of the Michigan DNR.

They are professionals at it. Our herd has been shot off so bad it is ridiculous. Unlimited doe permits is the answer they found to be the best way to do it.

They may have got the message when the deer management meetings ended up with hunters picketing out side to protest the management strategy's.

We are currently allowed to kill unlimited does in certain areas. Problem is that there are a lot of areas that cannot be hunted because they are too near to homes. The deer that hang out there are completely safe. Other problems that we have are that a lot of landowners will not allow people to hunt on their property. So, those properties end up providing sanctuary to the deer. Just this year, I have come close to collisions with deer twice.

At the end of the day, I guess I shouldn't be complaining about the deer and goose "problem" because it gives me a lot to hunt. Just wish we had a duck, pheasant, and dove problem too.