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The Sun Also Sets: climate change article

Pretty interesting read but then you don't hear this side as much as you do Algore's arguments.

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles....87279412587175

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Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.

And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.

Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a "stethoscope for the sun." But he and his colleagues need better equipment.

In Canada, where radio-telescopic monitoring of the sun has been conducted since the end of World War II, a new instrument, the next-generation solar flux monitor, could measure the sun's emissions more rapidly and accurately.

As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.

For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada's Carleton University, says that "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales."

Rather, he says, "I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet."

Patterson, sharing Tapping's concern, says: "Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth."

"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."

In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov made some waves — and not a few enemies in the global warming "community" — by predicting that the sun would reach a peak of activity about three years from now, to be accompanied by "dramatic changes" in temperatures.

A Hoover Institution Study a few years back examined historical data and came to a similar conclusion.

"The effects of solar activity and volcanoes are impossible to miss. Temperatures fluctuated exactly as expected, and the pattern was so clear that, statistically, the odds of the correlation existing by chance were one in 100," according to Hoover fellow Bruce Berkowitz.

The study says that "try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures."

The study concludes that if you shut down all the world's power plants and factories, "there would not be much effect on temperatures."

But if the sun shuts down, we've got a problem. It is the sun, not the Earth, that's hanging in the balance.

Possibly a little common sense. Ever since Al Gore invented the internet we have been innundated with an awful lot of his and the liberal's bull crap. I hope global warming is one of those piles of dung!! Will they take his Nobel prize away if the weather gets cold again??:D :D :eek:

This also backsup a report issued last year that alot of people never noticed.

Mars has been warming slightly the last few years as well.

so you have Earth and Mars both warming.....hmm..there's only one thing around these parts that could affect both at once, and guess what that is?

"This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe."

IIRC correctly, during the climatology portion of my meteorology classes, there was a strong warming trend just prior to that long lived cold snap that started around 1650.
Paul B.

The only thing that could affect both the Earth and Mars would be the hot breath of Al Gore spouting his rhetoric about Global Warming:eek: :D Oh and all those cars the Japanese exported to Mars...burning all that fossil fuel:D

I just watched a show about the little ice age. It lasted for about 500 years from the 1300's to the 1800's. I happen to think things happen in cycles and we are in a warming cycle. If you think about it, we are only 200 years or so out of the little ice age so we're not that far removed from it in the big scheme of things. The earth has been warming and coling in cycles for a very long time.

McPat

Hey McPat, how are things going with you in Kewanee?
Have you seen any coyotes?

Is there anyone here that really cares what Al Gore says or thinks? In the Liberal clamor to get to the Me-to front, they have created just one more BS blizzard.

We would be better off discussing the tragic events at Berkley where the city council is trying to throw the Marines out of town. Now there is a bunch of slack jaws. A recall, removal of federal funds from city, county, state, in that order, until that bunch of dips sticks gets a clue.
Ed

Hi Skinney,

We are all well here in K-town. I have been seeing some coyotes as I have been on the road, but haven't had the chance to get out and hunt them this year. But there's still time...

McPat

Back in the day, even before Paul and I can remember, the States of North Dakota, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado were jungle and contained a tropical climate. As I sat here yesterday and it was -20° I harked back to a story my Grandfather told me about his old friend Og Gore who predicted the earth was freezing over. Why old Og had even started wearing a longer haired fur thong to make sure people believed his predictions.

Sure enough in a few years it started to cool down, the dinosaurs died off and as predicted North Dakota, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado became prime skiing habitat.

So if any of y'all spot Algore in Butte, Montana in January wearing nothing but a silk thong you will know we are in deep trouble and you are overdressed.

That moron is as full of crap as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Well I can't truthfully call him a Moron either, he's making BIG bucks with this Manure.

The Earth is running one of it's cycles and nothing we have done or will do will change a darned thing. It has been doing this since it was created.

Due to infation my 5¢ worth.

Bill

Heard about this on the radio this AM: http://www.oism.org/pproject/

more info:
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Climate change article

About half of you may not like his politics, but VP Cheney had this to say and I don't think any will disagree with him. "The earth seems to be going through a warming cycle, I will have to agree. I generally call it spring".;)

Don't forget summer.
muledeer

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How true! In summer we may begin to feel Algore is right unless we have the swamp cooler on high.:p

Yeah, I've got to climb up on the roof and get my swamp cooler up and running. We've already hit 90 degrees a couple of times now and it can only get hotter. Our all time record high was 117 set a few years back just before I retired. I'm thinking we just might come close to that again this year. :eek: Not looking forward to going up on the roof. :(
Paul B.

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If you live in the "Valley of the Sun" you must be prepared for it to warm up in the spring-summer. However, when it is -30 here with blowing snow, or as the unofficial state motto says " Slick in Spots with Blowing Snow" you are enjoying old Sol. I-80 is called the "Snow Chi Min Trail". I will re-install my swamp cooler in about 15 to 20 days to surprise my wife. She likes to say I hook it up the first day of fall.:p

Snow chi Mihn Trail

Heck Larry, I like that one. Day beore yesterday we had a snow thunderstorm..yesterday we had 55 degrees with periods of snow squalls blowing down off the Prior's and today I was out shooting skeet at Cody in my shirtsleeves(didn't shoot too bad even if it was blowing) Swamp cooler is all ready to go..all I have to do is turn on the water to it.....and wait till it's hot 'nuff to use it. We had quite a few days last year where it was over 100. Hopefully this year too.:D

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Skeet, If you had to use I-80 this winter, you wouldn't like the nick-name. Had an unusually hard winter along the trail, closed a lot from Rock Springs to Laramie and Cheyenne. Usually that is just from Rawlins to Laramie; 48 hours duration once this winter. Pile-ups of 20 vehicles are not unusual. My neighbor is a patrolman and he is more concerned about getting killed by a truck than someone with a gun. The truckers take terrible chances and don't make it. My son has to make a 90 mile drive west from Rawlins to Point-on-Rocks each day and back and he only missed about a week of work. He is more concerned about survivability in his car than mileage. This was a very unusual winter and maybe it will be back to the old pattern next winter.
Wyoming folks are like hardened steel. Hot one day and cold the next, we are tempered.;)

I do know about I-80. I was down to Laramie a month ago. Another thing that is bad down on that area of the Interstate is the WIND combined with the ice on the road and the next thing ya know...yowwwiiieee. Almost bought a nice little ranch(1200 acres) down there. Too high and too cold...but the price WAS right. BTW we need the snow!! badly. We surely haven't had any rain. Less than 1/2" for the whole year so far.

Darn Sheet,
Ya about to dry up and blow away?
Ed

Dry as a popcorn fart here. We usually only get about 4 inches anyway. but it do be a bit dry. Irrigation water was just turned on to us yesterday..so as soon as the weed seeds all float down stream i'll start to irrigate just a bit. I have some grazing land i gotta get growing.

Climate change article

Skeet, About a month ago the worst was over. The big ridge about 5 miles east of Walcott Junction was the end of the snow.
We could use a little rain here also. I had the lawn racked, aerrated, and fertilized, so we are in for a long dry spell.