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How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the
2000 Presidential election:

Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake,
knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.



Found this on another site. had to post it here.

GoodOlBoy

Thanks, GOB!

I've read this before and I agree with it. I've been looking for it to show others so thanks for posting it.

EDIT: Now that I got the authors name, I saw fit to research it and it would appear that the validity of the quote as well as the data is somewhat questionable. Snopes was the first hit but I'm looking further into this one.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

Yes but I feel that like many things in life even if this is complete BS it doesn't make it any less True.

GoodOlBoy

No doubt! Somebody said it and I think it's applicable. I just wanted to get a little background on who was cited with its origin and saw the that some of the history is skewed.

The majority of societies end up as Oligarchies of one type of another.It's quite possible that this one will too.A)It looks to me like the majority of our society would rather their legislators "did for them" with pork barrel than actually represent their interest. B)Follows party dogma to the T, allowing their part of choice to acquire more power as long as they mind their Ps and Qs on the hotbutton issues.C) Most people don't know or care about the issues anyway-who's on "Dancing with the Stars" is more important.:rolleyes:

I think y'all are worrying way too much. There is so much inertia in America that nothing is going to happen in a hurry.
Another point to bear in mind, is no society in history has had the American Court system. A simple law suit by a nobody can tie up the entire government, or the most powerful company. That alone could slow down anything from happening for several lifetimes. Throw in the US Congess, where NOTHING EVER REACHES CLOTURE, and I think we are ok.

another perspective:
Eco systems can be preserved only if affluent nations of the world can be disciplined into lowering their standard of living. Production and consumption must be curtailed. To bring that about, those nations must submit to rationing, taxation and political domination by world government. they will not do this voluntarily, so they must be forced.To do that it will be necessary to engineer a global monetary crisis which will destroy their economic systems. They will have no choice but to accept assistance and control of the UN.
Murice Strong
West Magazine, Canada

Hows that for a little sunday morning doomsday?

Part of the problem is the democracy. Our country wasnt formed as a democracy. In the Pledge of Allegience, do you pledge to the democracy for which it stands or the Republic?

We were formed as a Republic, governed by law. Not a democracy, governed by majority rule. Democracy is one step closer to Socialism. Some think thats splitting hairs, but its not. Far from it.

Think about it.

Edit: Just to explain myself. Our country was formed on the basis of a few simple laws. The Constitution. That was supposed to be the supreme law and governing of the Republic. Elected officials were there to make sure the laws were upheld. Not changed or compromised.

We have strayed far from that into a democracy. Where people actually vote on laws and ammendments to laws. Majority rules. Thats not the way it was meant to be folks. Its killing us. Next step is Socialism.

Socialism is where the majority imposes its will on all people. Yall ready for that?

Boy I am glad I posted this one. Actually so long as they leave me and mine alone they can go hang. I don't care what or who they do. . . .

GoodOlBoy

Good post GOB
 

I've enjoyed reading every reply and have to say I agree with Andy L on where things are heading as oppossed to where they should be....left alone! Our forefathers made things quite clear, so why the hell-0 are fools messing with it? I think the US should purchase some land somewhere (outside of the US) and fill it will all the whining biotches and call it Jackass. "To the Republic, for which it stands." Sounds clear enough to my ears. Take care my friends, grayghost

I really disagree with much of the article that started the conversation.

The United States became a country precisely because a monarch tried to usurp the freedom of the colonies. The fundamental momentum of the revolution came from the fact that the colonists thought of themselves as free men, and aimed to continue to be such.

Goverment tends to grow, and to control more and more, until one day the governed decide "enough". Then government re-sets to small, and starts over.

Denton is right
 

in most of what he says. The only part he left out is that when the governed reset the government there are usually a lot of people die and much property destroyed. That was in the past...forward to the here and now or the future and multiply all the death and destruction by 10...and with the globalism the way it is there will be some country trying to step in and end the strife(such as the US has done). Can you see some country coming to the US to end a revolution?? Maybe a country such as China? Oh boy! Remember...when there is internal strife in a country...there is a period of time for another country to try to take over. Not preaching doom and gloom...you all have seen these things happen in other parts of the world. I COULD happen here! I am afraid that there is a time coming when we may see another type of world war. People never learn, ya know! The US is included!