Actually TJ ...I was just a thinking back anbd I do remember one time...First 3" shotgun I ever had...A Mossberg 500. Shot at a goose directly overhead while laying on my back... Killed the goose but at the time I really didn't care. Thought I broke my shoulder. Never had a problem with the other guns I had to that time. Got rid of that kicking *&^$%^%&&^*)(&() thing