Hands down more people shoot these 2 guns as well or better than any other guns on the market...My preference the 1100 and the 870 pump. The 1100 is pretty reliable for an auto and the 870 is just one of those guns that always works....My preference in pump guns is the ole Model 12 Winchester. I never wore one out...yet... but the darn thing was just a great diving duck gun...especially a trap gun in a booby blind...shooting down on those ole cans and blackheads(bluebills for you yankees).

I have a 28 ga M-12 that is just the best shooter for those gentlemanly birds the bobwhite quail... nice on the covey rise but just great on the singles etc after the rise