No apologies are neccessary...as long as nobody confuses me with a man face-to-face..than nobody has to git their eyes blackened
You have an interestin pov...and I can surely see where yer comin from. But I tell you what...iffin I had a dog that was extremely difficult to train...like tryin to teach a pitt bull never to bite nobody..then I just wouldnt have no dog like that. Very rarely, if ever, would you need to train a huntin dog to the extent of such strict training. This is a great "argument"...raises good questions in trainin..esp. in the world of huntin dogs.
How much is enough?
How much authority do you really need?
Alot..of course..but here's my idea..
you ever heared tell that you can git more bees w/ honey than you can w/ vinegar?
IMHO..makin a dog go totally against his grain is takin away the soul of the animal. Like..beagles that dont/wont/bred-plum-out-of-em hunt...teachin any hound to NOT hunt..makin him do things that totally takes away from the dog. Serves nary a bit of purpose. So to me...if you can accomplish such a feat as makin a dog sit on another is only somethin that you can say "Look what I can make this dog do."
If we are to be so in tune with the dog..what do think that dog would be thinkin. Probaly somethin like.."why the hell is he makin me do this?" It serves no purpose other than we can make this dog do this..and to the dog..he just does it cause he has to. Forced to. Yes, he listens. Cause...he is forced to.
I reckon I aint as hard on my dogs as most. I dont shock em..nothin like that. But them dogs hunt like fools..they live fer it. Never have they growled at me..much less snapped at me.
And they got the grace of Lee at Fredericksburg when they're runnin.
But when it comes to a dog that has serious issues..like bitin and whatnot..I caint fer the life of me figure out why bein harder on the dog over x amount of time would make it better. With the exception of quick correction at the time of the incident.
That's kinda like beatin a beagle fer runnin deer when he came home after runnin deer fer 3 hours. All he knows is he got the crap whacked outta him when he got home....
Touchin a lil on what Sonny says..a trainer would certainly catch more that the owner would when it comes to a dogs shortcomings and bad habits. Now, I dunno bout ya'll..but a trainer with a problem dog could easily see more and more bad points about the dog...and can only focus on that. Fix it, fix it, fix it. When there is nothin left to fix, then you have a robot.
If somebody sat me down and fixed all my shortcomins..then Lilred would no loger be Lilred..but just another thing that behaved perfectly. I aint sayin that all trainers are like that..dont take it that way. I reckon my point is..is that we put up with certain things from our kids, our spouses, our families and whatever that we dont particulary like..cause they are human. IMHO dogs should be given the same treatment..to a certain extent.
Not to the point where a snip or a bite should be fergivin tho.
Wonderful subject...