[Adam Helmer]

Brithunter,

If your "Moron" blokes wish to OVERLOAD ANY gun to get 1200 yard performance, I hope they keep learning that too much is more than enough. Maybe NZ needs to ban morons. Wotever?

gumpokc,

If you wish to try to chamber a .357 Magnum in any of my .38 Specials, and do so successfully, then you may have my .38. In fact, the factory made the .357 "idiot proof" by making the case LONGER than a .38 Special so it cannot chamber in a .38 SPL. So, just because you do not see a written warning on the .357 ammo box, it is understood because the factory goof-proofed the .357/.38 for even the dullest moron.

As for the CETME and its fluted chamber, the first CETME's used a lower powered .308 round due to its design weaknesses, so the CETME is a poor example of a .308 NATO or .308 Winchester. Allegedly the "C" pre-fix CETMEs are now up to full power NATO rounds. If not, better shrug a time or two, LOL.

As for "Written Warnings" check any box of 12 gauge ammo and read where it says, ""These shells must not be used in guns having Damascus or twist steel barrels, or chambers shorter than 2 3/4 inches." So, you see there are warnings for obvious problems. We all know military brass is heavier in the .30-06 and .308 than commercial brass and load military cases with reduced charges. BUT, show me one box of commercial .308 ammo that says it MUST NOT be fired in a 7.62x51mm NATO arm.

I would not cite the CETME as the starting point for a discussion of the 7.62 NATO round. I have had too many MATCH M-14s to think the CETME was worth consideration.

Adam