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Actually Tater.. I have a 45-70 and what Gil said is right. The 450 has a sharper recoil to it than the 45-70 and the 444 is a bit lighter. Had a 444 and didn't have much use for it. The 45-70 stands head and shoulders above it. Shot the 450 and I'd just as soon have the 45-70. Easy to load for too...up or down. And I really will try to tame her down for ya. A friend has a 45-70 and had it proported. It actually tamed it down somewhat..but it is a bit louder. He weighs about 140 lbs right out of the shower and he has no problem with the 45-70


Edited to add...Not that I've ever seen him right out of the shower! I don't even look that way...much less go that way!