Well the internet quotes are in and are around 2 grand under sticker which is about what I expected to pay. Now to get the trade value up to where it should be and we'll be all set. LoneWolf didn't mean to get anything started here, just looking for some help getting a fair deal. I'm not opposed to the sales people making a good living or the dealer making a profit, if they don't there wouldn't be anyone there when the cust. pulls onto the lot. Now having said that I'd bet that the dealerships almost never come out on the short end of a deal

so that pretty much just leaves the consumer. Now enough of all that: time to hoist a cold one and and forget about these things that don't really matter anyway

Cheers Indy