[skeet]

Can't be done...at least not in the societal atmosphere we have today. I also know that those things were done in the past. In Maryland no less. I saw more than one kid taken from their parents. Know why it was done?? Because they needed to be taken. Not because the kids were beaten or any thing like that. Nope. They were taken because they couldn't provide the basics for their own kids. This happened right on the eastern shore in the late 50's early 60's. I saw it. I also knew of a few women whose tubes were tied...not by the gummit...but by a caring doctor(he did this clear into the mid 70's). This was of course before the welfare state got going like it is now. There wasn't a whole lot of work available in the late 50's through the 60's on the eastern shore. June July and August the black and white folk who needed to work were waiting on the corner in the little town where I lived..waiting for the farmers who had straw or hay cut and baled. Provided a little money to someone who wanted to work or ones who needed the money. By the mid to late 60's I was almost alone on that corner. Welfare changed people that quickly. There was a lot of seasonal work in those times. The Eastern shore was an agricultural area ya know? My father even provided work for a person or two(plus unpaid me). He was a waterman. And when I was in school he needed help. The world was a different place then...where the people did not and could not depend on the government to do for them. Time to go back to those ideals..Past time in fact! Just as a note...many families that had a lot of children...especially farm folk had them to do the work necessay on a farm. They raised their own food...and took care of their own. It was a hard life...but usually a pretty good one too.