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Originally Posted by Wolfwoman
"I see that you are well set in the way that you think and there's no way around that, so there's really no point in debating anymore. I *do* get it, just on a larger scale."
I'm set in my ways?? Pot calling the kettle black for sure. Not debating. Just asking why the people that make these decisions must impose their will on others that have to live with it. what larger scale??
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Hmm, no I already said that I'd changed my views years back when I did research and talked with people that had to deal with wolves. I used to BE that WolfLover that said DO NOT KILL ANY. Now I understand and actually use wolf fur. I wouldn't say that makes me set in my ways.
[QUOTE=skeet;329517]
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Originally Posted by Wolfwoman
"I think that there are ways for us to be able to live (in any state) with limited numbers of ALL species of animals that were there BEFORE US."
As do I. As long as you don't impose your will on me from long distance without having to live with the consequences.
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I'm not imposing
my will on anyone, I'm just talking with someone of differing views. I'm sure you have enough people of varying opinions in your own state (pro and con) that you should be able to handle it yourself.
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Originally Posted by Wolfwoman
but believe me when I say I've heard from MANY MANY like you and had many debate with people in your situation that DO think they should be entirely wiped out"
I have had these same types of debates with others who only want to impose their will on others who feel we ruined the balance of nature and THEY need to make the decisions to change that. Did you not understand there were wolves still here? You've seen wolves in the wild, I am sure. Would you forget what they look like? Doubt it.... The part I think you don't understand is there are people who feel the way you say you used to feel. That we are interlopers on the animals land. It just isn't true. Man by his natue is destructive. Can we change that?? I doubt it. Wolves by their nature are destructive also. Most predators are. I truly believe man will eventually destroy himself but that is a debate left to other venues. As far as Christian or whatever you happen to believe really doesn't matter. You accuse one side of wanting to destroy everything but fail to see the other side of the argument. I know many hunters outdoorsmen and women, ranchers, farmers and people from many walks of life and have yet to hear even one say we should wipe wolves from the face of the earth.
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I can give you links to several forums where I've seen people say that there shouldn't be any wolves in MANY various areas where they USED to be and have been reintroduced and are now overpopulated. They don't want ANY wolves, bottom line. YOU are different, you don't think they should be wiped out, that they have a place, but that they shouldn't be reintroduced in many places... I understand that, but it's too late, they've already done it... so why go through the cycle again?? It's a no-win situation!
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Originally Posted by Wolfwoman
The tree huggers are the ones that imposed their will on the people of this area (correcting the inequities of the past?) by reintroducing an animal that was already here. ..imposed the endangered species act on the animals introduced...and then when the GOALS they had set were exceeded again imposed their will on the residents and kept em on the list. Not even a sorry Charlie..just live with it.... The part about the above statement that REALLY stands out is the word BUT followed by a statement that you really don't know to be true. A supposition if you must. I live here and don't hear it. It seems you want to believe that all others want to destroy 'em all...and that belief is what, after all is said and done, creates the real problem. We have to be protected from ourselves. What self serving BS from the Tree huggers!! And saying that kind of drivell is what perpetuates the lies
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I never said ALL others wanted to destroy them all, I also know a lot of hunters and trappers that love to see wolves in the wild, but I also know a LOT that hate the sight of them anywhere. The same goes for coyotes in many places... and mountain lions in others... there will always be a percentage of people that want them wiped out, there will be a percentage that want none killed and in-between are those that have enough sense to know that a certain healthy population can thrive with the prey... that in-between percentage is WAY too small and the other two sides will always fight... like wolves over a kill.
I guess at this point we can just agree to disagree and see if anyone else has anything to say. I hope I haven't made you mad as I love talking wolf politics, it's the ONLY politics I like
