I seem to be hearing a lot of that from all parts of the state Swift. A few of the boys at camp refused to take a Doe even though they possessed a tag. I spent the first two days in a stand. When I say that I mean sun up till sun down without ever having to grab my rifle. I remember the days when I lived in Warren Co. and the "Herds" would run past you. It seems that the bucks being taken are of a better class than lets say the 70's or 80's but I sure do miss seeing Deer on a daily basis to keep things interesting. This is really going to hurt in Flintlock Season. Which makes me think, If you can use a crossbow now during the rut, why not a Flintlock