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that is really interesting stuff about the 40 yd pin. no the doe i missed was out of my climber a mere 12 ft up she was 20 yds up. in my frustration of getting eaten alive by bugs i put too much angle in the foot rest so when i stood my feet were kinda pointing up. it just pissed me off error all over that shot. but as for the question at hand his stands arent 20 ft up closer to 25 minimum. (im not crazy about heights either) last year when i was with him i had a spike walk under me and i just thought, i wouldnt even know where to hold for a deer that just showed up under me. yes 5 yds from trunk of tree
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