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Originally Posted by skeet
Fabs you happen to be right about one or two things in all that stuff you posted.. But think of this.. Yep..the victors in a war write the history..or it used to be that way. It is no longer. We dropped bombs in Japan. We killed civilians. Didn't we kill civlilians with the normal bombs? Didn't the Japanese kill civilians? War my friend is not won by the "good guys". It is won by the nastiest SOBS. Seriously How many civilians and military men would have died had we invaded Japan. I submit it would have been more..much more..maybe as many as a million as the Japanese were ready to defend the homeland to the death...men women and children. We could have bombed Tokyo..cut the head off the snake but we didn't do that. It would have killed hundreds of thousands more..and I think you know it. We(meaning the US) did not make the decision to bomb Dresden..which was filled to overflowing with refugees. The Brits wanted that to be done and they got their way. The war was almost over...but many many more people would have died had we done less. Look at the Russians. We talk of the killing of 6 millions civilians in the death camps in Europe(contrary to popular belief they were not all Jews). The Russians killed 20 millions. BUT think of the Rape of Nanking..the Bataan Death march and many other atrocities at the hands of the japanese...especially in China. In Europe the Geneva Convention supposedly reigned...but not with the Japanese. They were not signatories. Now as to waterboarding..it seems it got Bin Hiding. I'm sorry the only way to win a war is to be meaner than the other guy. If that offends your sensibilities..so be it. I am not sorry for that. I'm just glad that you and I have the right to say what we think. That right was given to you and me by ...yep..the meanest SOBS on the block. For that I am happy and will not apologize...and I am sad to think that you will.
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Hey, don't get mad at the messenger. We pretty much agree on most of this stuff. I just don't agree with throwing some 91 year old man in prison for the stuff he did 60+ years ago in a war, wherein he very well might have been carrying out military orders, and wherein the US doesn't have clean hands.
Somebody suggested that he could have just said no when he was ordered to do these things. Well then, the US could have just said NO to Britain as far as bombing Dresden is concerned.
Do I agree with dropping two atomic bombs on Japan? Yep, but that is because I am viewing it as an American. Heck, I think we should drop a couple in the Middle East and give them a lot more to worry about than their petty little squables. It will save a ton of American lives and a ton of American money. We have nukes to spare, so we really don't have to replace them.
Now, if you want to look at WWII and say that this German was a menace or that specific Japanese soldier was a menace, some 60+ years later, I have an issue with it. Almost have an issue with trying any of the soldiers except for the ones on high. A lot of the high brass from Japan and Germany, including the Emperor of Japan, should have been hanged. Yet, the Emperor was spared.
Last but not least, STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!!!!!!!! I never once said we should apologize for anything that we did. My examples were to show that the US isn't of clean hands either, and we shouldn't be going around 60+ years later and trying to sentence 90+ year old men to death for things they did during a filthy, disgusting war.
By the way, I also figured you would be the first one to respond. Seems like anything that looks like it might lean left draws you out right away. Kind of like the extreme lefties on the cycling board I visit. In there, anything that barely leans right draws them out. Like I say to them, you my friend, are the problem we have in this country and why the country is so divided. I bet there isn't one single point that you would concede to the left. Me, I sit somewhere in the middle and get crap on both boards. Luckily, I have a thick skin.