Where oh where is America going?

[bulletpusher]

After all of the crap I'm seeing on the news and hearing on the radio I'm afraid that we are on a downhill slide that will only recover after an armed revolution.

I'm hoping that all the Crap coming from Washington D.C. can be stoped and reversed before its too late.

If cap and (crap) trade is signed into law, Texas only hope for servival is Sasetion. If that health care ripoff bill is signed into law the United States of America as we grew up with will be gone, and maybe be gone forever.

Good Lord above help us.

[scalerman]

Can I ask a question? What exactly does "cap and trade" mean. I hefar it alot lately and I'm not sure I fully grasp the implications of that phrase. Could somebody set me straight please.

[Jack]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_and_trade

[scalerman]

Thanks Jack I am much better educated now. I too am concerned about this whole thing- to me there is only anecdotal evidence of global warming. If you go deep enough in the Arctic there are tropical jungles there under the ice. That to me would indicate that at one time the world was much warmer than it is now. This phenomenon occured long before human habitation- I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there might not be a relationship between "global warming" and human activity. This is just another way for the rich to get richer.

[skeet]

Is just a very large tax on energy in it's final form.. What it means is that they will pass a law that limits carbon emissions at a very low level . What they want to do is "save the environment" by cutting down on carbon emissions in the United States. If the companies(such as coal fired electric generating companies) can't meet the artificial levels promulgated by a bunch of liberal politicians..they will either have to purchase carbon credits from other companies or invest very heavily in technology that would reduce carbon emission from their generating plants..costing hundreds of millions of dollars and raising your electric bill by leaps and bounds also the price of your gasoline, the price of your heating oil and natural gas or propane. What it boils down to is just a gigantic tax on the consumers of the country. Every cost will of course be passed down to the ultimate end..you the consumer. At the same time this will cost millions(more) of American jobs. And since we'll have less people working your taxes will rise exponentially to take care of those who lose their jobs and the millions more who choose to not work anyway. We are unfortunately heading for a marxist state..these people running the country are not socialists..they are marxist/communist. Comrades as it were.

[buckhunter]

Its just another way of the Government telling us whats best for us. They know, we don't.

[Mr. 16 gauge]

....and if you think health care is expensive now, wait until it's 'free'!

[Larryjk]

Skeet, You understand "cap and trade" very well. My son works for a large electrical producing company and says, " We will do whatever we have to with the realization we are a public utility and are guaranteed a 10% profit. The additional costs we bear will be passed on to the consumer with an increase in profit for the company." That couldn't be much plainer. We are going to get the big screw while a few companies (Goldman Sachs, etc) will be the big winners; and they don't pay taxes in the US. But you do undrstand the mess we will be in.

[PJgunner]

A very good friend said right after the "erection", "I fear the communists have won."

Right now, the Democrats are "punishing" Arizona because Senator jon Kyl is fighting the the cap and trade BS, the confirmation of that racist hag Sotomayor and bucking Obama the Usurper at every turn. The nasty letters condemning him from the liberals here in Tucson are flooding the local paper.
At least one politician does get it, although i'm sure the libs will kick him out come the next 'erection." Ain't that what you call it when they fix an election?
Paul B. as hell.

[skeet]

[QUOTE=Larryjk;331104]Skeet, You understand "cap and trade" very well. My son works for a large electrical producing company and says, " We will do whatever we have to with the realization we are a public utility and are guaranteed a 10% profit. The additional costs we bear will be passed on to the consumer with an increase in profit for the company."

There is only one thing the companies don't realize though..the profit margin for them will come down also.. Check into the cap in trade mess. I think you'll find that the profit margin is addressed..or was supposed to be so. They were talking about a 3% max margin of profit.. So the companies are going to lose out too. And then there are the NIMBYs. There are going to be no new coal fired power plants no more refineries(hasn't been a new one of them since 75)and they are going to really hit on the coal mining companies too. All sorts of unsafe things happening there ya know..and as far as Nukes..uh-uhhh. One of them ain't gonna happen..the greenies are in power there too....Oh and then the NIMBys are not gonna allow wind generation...too ugly. unless they could cover the whole state of South Dakota or something..but that won't work either.. Might be time to take out the powers that be and teach 'em a lesson. 'Member when your father took ya out behind the barn and gave ya what for?? Sadly I think the powers that be would not heed a good lesson. They be IN CHARGE!! and the common citizen is dirt under their feet

[Swift]

2012 is coming

[skeet]

Originally Posted by Swift

2012 is coming

NOT SOON ENOUGH...we might not make it through 2010

[Swift]

We'll make it. We may be severely damaged goods but we'll make it.

[PJgunner]

Skeet said, "Sadly I think the powers that be would not heed a good lesson. They be IN CHARGE!! and the common citizen is dirt under their feet."

You just hit the nail on the head. Some of those "royals" have been in office so long that they feel they are not only better than us peons ans serf, (I refuse to be either one.) but that they know much better what is best for us. I got news for them. Considering all their unconstitutional spending that is doing absolutely nothing except bankrupting my country, I figure damnfew of them know the difference between their arse and a hole in the ground, even with a detailed map.
Remember that book, THE PETER PRINCIPLE? you know, where one rises to their highest level of incompetency? Look at the U.S. Congress and you see the Peter Princile in action. JMHO, but they work for us and they're doing a lousy job. If I'd done my job as bad as they're doing, I would have been fired. It's lpng past time the "royals' not only got canned, but put back in their place and are educated to the fact that they are not better than the est of us.
Paul B.
as hell!

[skeet]

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