Glock Carry Condition?

[gregarat]

I was wondering what Condition I should carry my Glock in, 1 or 3? Oviously Condition 2 is out.

Condition 1 - round in the chamber, hammer cocked, safety engaged
Condition 2 - round in the chamber, hammer down, safety not engaged (N/A for me)
Condition 3 - no round in the chamber, hammer down, safety not engaged

[Skinny Shooter]

Greg, I haven't looked at Glocks lately and I remember them as not having an external safety or hammer like a Colt 1911.
Which they called the safe action trigger system.
From their site:
This safety can only be released by the trigger being pulled by the trigger finger. It automatically re-engages after the trigger is released.

I prefer a manual safety.

That being said, I carried my G-23 with a round in the chamber and a holster that enclosed the trigger guard completely.
The only real safety it had was keeping your finger out of the trigger guard till you were ready to shoot.

If you are surprised by an assailant and fear for your life, there may not be enough time to chamber a round and then shoot.

Allen

[MarkL]

Like SS said, a Glock does not have a hammer or a manual safety. You do not have the option of hammer down/cocked or safety on/off.

Your only practical choice is whether or not to have a round in the chamber. If not, you would have to rack the slide or bluff.

The lack of a manual safety combined with a relatively light trigger (compared to a conventional double-action mechanism) has led to a disproportionate number of "accidental" shootings by police officers and others. I don't really understand why police departments continue to use Glocks. I guess they're easier to train for.

[TreeDoc]

IMO, your only realistic option would be Glock's variation of Condition 1. If you're going to "carry" then you better be ready to use it and not having a round in the pipe is pure nonsense, again...just my opinion.

Gluncks are striker fired pistols without a traditional hammer. The act of pulling the trigger is actuating several safety mechanisms as well as "cocking" the gun. It is the firearms industry's original "point & click" interface. The safety is quite simple, you point it, pull the trigger, it goes BOOM! If you don't want it to go boom? Keep your finger off the trigger. Something a lot of idiots should know and practice with ANY firearm.

As for trigger pull. A factory glock is traditionally set up with a 5.5# pull disconnector, not light, just different. You can Mod the gun with a Glockmeister trigger that will give you about 3.5# pull. A little polish on the disconnect and it can go a bit lighter. My understanding is that guns sold on contract for law enforcement have an 8# disconnect to make them more like a DAO pistol. I have never felt this particular trigger and I'm not positive it actually exists.

MarkL, just curious about your comments about Glocks and AD's. I used to tune in pretty heavily on that kind of information and I personally never heard about any imbalance of AD's involving Glocks more so than any other pistol. I recall an issue pertaining to Fobus Holster actuating the trigger safety and allowing the trigger to be depressed as the pistol was holstered not to mention a few other where the foolish operators maintained their trigger finger ON the trigger as they holstered but never recall hearing of those situations in abundance with LEO's. Any info or data you can point out or send our direction?

[Adam Helmer]

gregarat,

I was the Firearms Coordinator (Instructor) for all 100 Postal Inspectors in New England for 10 years before I retired in 1996. We got the Glock 17 and 19s in 1989 and our SOP was to carry with the mag loaded and one "up the spout." As others pointed out, the Glock has NO safety catch or decocking lever or any of that nonsense. The Glock fires when the trigger is pulled just like any DA revolver. We had no ADs with the Glock during my tenure as Coordinator.

I bought my Glock 19 and still carry CCW with "one up the spout." The Glock is like the cap guns and water pistols we used as kids, if you want it to go bang, pull the trigger. Hope this helps.

Adam

[gregarat]

The lack of a manual safety concernes me abit. Like you all said not having a round chambered isnt smart in a defenceive situation.

I know that this firearm WILL NOT fire unless the trigger is pulled. but chambering a round indoors feels like opening a unbrella indoors. Even though I keep a chambered round in my shotgun.

I guess Im giong to have to get used to it, while ALWAYS remembering to use safe gunhandling.

[TreeDoc]

It does seem a bit odd at first but I adapted to that type of handling far faster than I adapted to Condition 1 with a 1911.

Finger OFF trigger until your on target and ready to fire.

[Jack]

I guess I don't see how a Glock is any different than a DA revolver.
For years, police used DA revolvers- which we all know do not have safeties- just like a Glock.

[MarkL]

I don't have statistics on Glock ADs, but I've heard/read many times that Glocks are more prone to ADs than other designs. Maybe it's just an urban legend? It does seem logical that a Glock would be more prone to AD than a revolver because the trigger pull is much shorter and lighter.

I got this quote

"Almost immediately after D.C. police adopted the Glock, unintentional discharges increased sharply."

from the following article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...lice4page1.htm

The responses are predictable, so I'll save you the trouble

"You can't believe anything the <insert name of any newspaper here> prints."

"It's not the fault of the gun that various idiots can't keep their finger off the trigger."

[gregarat]

Originally posted by Jack
I guess I don't see how a Glock is any different than a DA revolver.

I might agree with you if it had a N.Y. trigger.

As for trigger pull. A factory glock is traditionally set up with a 5.5# pull disconnector, not light, just different. You can Mod the gun with a Glockmeister trigger that will give you about 3.5# pull. A little polish on the disconnect and it can go a bit lighter. My understanding is that guns sold on contract for law enforcement have an 8# disconnect to make them more like a DAO pistol. I have never felt this particular trigger and I'm not positive it actually exists

Yes Doc it exists , I can explain the details on another thread. But I’m NOT stealing this thread from myself .

On a DA revolver you have a long heavy consistent trigger pull, where the hammer is pulled (lifted), before it’s dropped.
On a Glock there is a light safe action trigger, then the second stage 5.5lb pull. With a hammer ready to drop when the slide is raked.
It may seem trivial, but then again I feel o.k. with a loaded shotgun.

[gregarat]

Sorry Mark I dont even need to click the link, When its labled "Wasington Compost".

Becides a Probation Officer accidentaly shot her downstairs negbor in Syracuse when she was disasembling her Glock, for cleaning. No need to guess that the Local Liberal news blamed Glock .

Later I attended my handgun safty class where the instructor voiced how we SHOULDNT buy a Glock. Because of the fact that the hammer has to be droped to be dissasembled, and that there is no external safty.
I rememer thinking that a K.I.S.S disingn is ideal in a hostile situation, and all the "so called drawbacks" reflect the dumbing down of America.

I havnt recived a L.E.O. handgun certificate or whatever, but I have over 20 solid years of firearm experience.(Plese dont get me wrong, I dont at all mean to be arrogant or pompouse. In fact I learn how little I know about firearms everyday) So L.E.O figgures dont frighten me. My Father uses a great quote "Figures lie, and Liers figure" .

[TreeDoc]

Gregarat,
You just struck a chord in my memory.....the "New York Trigger" is right! I remember it now! Sometimes a little additional voltage helps my lame-brain kick into gear.

[kt]

tree doc, a glunk? it seems as though you think a glock is the sbe of the pistol world, not so at all without one in the chamber you are asking for bad news, the whole idea to not have the bad guy know you have a gun until you are prepared to fire, well for us ccw folk any how. i believe in the glock trigger, and would say as far as safety it is right there with a dao revolver or for that matter a kahr pistol or a kelt-tec pistol which both dont even have a trigger safety. but you wouldnt be alone if you thought a glock with one in the hole was uncomfortable, springfield picked up on this and built something very similar to a glock but added a 1911 grip safety which seems to be reassuring to the thousands who are buying those, any how the address here is very relavant and is a thread on basically the same topic,
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread....hreadid=332327
kt

[TreeDoc]

The SBE of the pistol world? Not me...I own a Glunk not an SBE , a Glunk 17 to be exact and I shot it well in IDPA Competition until I layed off the sport for a while. I have 2 of the Springfields that you speak of as well (XD9 & XD40) and I believe those have a better trigger out of the factory box. My Glunk is tricked with the trigger system I spoke of as well as some sweet Dawson Fiber Optics on top.

[gregarat]

I fondeled the Springfield before I bought my Glunk. The Springfild seemed to have more of a long DA style pull, like a glunk with the -3.5lb connector and the 8lb N.Y. trigger = a 5lb long DA pull.
I myself prefer a short trigger pull.


I might get night, and or adjustable sights.

Wich reminds me of another question. What is the proper sight alignment for the stock Glunk sights(silly question, I know)? Normaly the proper sight aligment is with the rear slot, and the front post level, with the target atop the front post.
In the Glunk manuel the front post is slightly above the rear slot, with the target resting atop the front post.
At 25y My targets look like a vertical string of holes!