World War III

[Andy L]

Are we in it now?

Does it seem to anyone that we could be in World War III right now and just not realizing it yet? It seems realistic that we will have to deal with Syria and Iran in the near future. North Korea may have to be dealt with as well.

Were the planes hitting the world trade center the first real shots fired in the next big one? It just seems to me that there are alot of things that are pretty much beyond repair and it could escalate quickly.

If so, whos gonna side with us and who against? What about the ones we need to pay real attention to such as China and Russia? Are they really our allies?

This is getting a little scary. Maybe Im reading too much into it, but it seems that things are getting pretty heated in alot of places. Mainly the middle east, but if someone like the new head of Iran decides to force the issue, Im afraid all hell could break loose in a hurry.

What do yall think?

Andy

[TreeDoc]

We've sold out to China and our liberal government wants us to sympathize with the Muslims so my suggestion is start learning the Chinese language and start studying the Qr an. It's only a matter of time before this nations sovereignty and identity is completely compromised.

[fabsroman]

Truthfully, I do not want to think about it because I have thought about it enough over the years. The loss of life will be insane if there is a World War III and I hesitate to think what the losing side might do in a last ditch effort to win. However, I do think the issues in the Middle East could be a serious catalyst to some serious fighting.

[Classicvette63]

Not too worry. The U.S armed citizen is the greatest army to ever walk the face of the earth. People just need to see thru this politically correct crap. If we'd have kicked all of the muslims out on 9/12 we wouldn't have the problems we have now.

Actually, you want to know how to save 5.6 TRILLION dollars of taxpayer money? Don't let some limp wrist like Truman get in the White House. That is how much we have spent on nuclear weapons since the '40's. Why some jagoff like truman would spend weeks considering using nukes vs. having a ton of our guys slaughtered is beyond me. Seems like Patton and Mc Arthur had it right after all.

[Hawkeye6]

The events of September 11, 2001 were not the opening shots. Remember USS Cole? Remember our embassies in Africa? Remember the Khobar Towers? Remember our inneffectual responses to these under Clinton? I do.

My own personal belief is that NK is not a significant threat to us. To China and Japan, yes, but not to the US. The risk that NK represents is if it sells some of its weapons or weapons technology to a group of mad mullahs.

I expect that we will see this war go on for decades. Both of my sons are currently serving. Neither of them are particulary more at risk than any other American right now, but they will be standing to the colors into the next decade at least. So who know what will happen on their watch?

I watched NBC, I think it was last Friday night and saw Tom Brokaw's special report on Iraq, the Middle East and the war on terror. His show convinced me that there is only one way out of this one. Its to fight them, fight them hard and kill them. I do not beleive that we can make peace with the mad mullahs and OBL. I do not think that we can come to terms with them and retain any semblence of Western Civilization. (I'm not sure that was his intention, but ...)

Since, in my opinion we have to fight them, I'd rather we fight them there than in NYC, Chicago or Saint Louis.

Hawkeye

[Andy L]

Hawkeye,
I do remember the other attacks and the Clinton head turning. What I meant was that was the first serious attack on US mainland and the final straw, so to speak.

You also made a good point about NK. I cant for the life of me figer out why China dont slap the snot out of that banty rooster and put that threat to bed. They are next door and do pose a great threat to them.

Classic, I agree that we have the best military that has ever graced the face of the planet. But its ignorant to believe we can take on the world alone.

God help us if it hits the fan and China and Russia end up on the other side.

Andy

[fabsroman]

"The U.S armed citizen is the greatest army to ever walk the face of the earth."

That might have been true 200 years ago, but I seriously doubt that the entire U.S. Armed Citizen population could beat 10 Chinese tanks unless the tanks ran out of bullets, shells, and gas. The everyday firearms is nothing compared to the military technology that is out there.

[Skinny Shooter]

Fabs, I hope we never have to go to war on our soil. But...
If an invader makes that mistake, Americans will rise up as the unorganized militia to defend the Homeland.
Many Americans will die facing a modern army till we can start to arm ourselves with the invaders weapons and turn them back against them. Our sheer numbers will be a major factor. Read about the Russians against the Germans.

If I had to face a tank with a rifle, I'd pick the time and place.
Tank crew members can't stay buttoned up forever. Once they pop-up out of their holes like little skinnys, I'd try to stop them, 7.62 millimeters at a time. The tank tracks are a vulnerable spot too.
And too add, if any of the above happened, I'd be crapping my pants but as an American I'd have no choice but to act. It's my duty.

Allen

[Steverino]

Historically speaking, this nation was founded on "not playing by the rules" and adopting guerilla-war tactics when facing enemies on our homeland and agree with Skinny that small arms will be an intregal part of turning the modern weapons of war against an invading force.

The use of well trained marksmen and snipers has changed the advance of troops since the Civil War. The Battle of Stalingrad proved a pivotal moment during WWII when Russians faced a "superior" army.

Hope it never comes down to it but this is another primed reason that Americans should be armed. The frontier has indeed changed but it's just as dangerous.

Keep yer powder dry!

[Skinny Shooter]

Hey Jack, bet ya just knew I'd bite when "Chinese tanks" got mentioned.

Here's something else, the "death by a thousand cuts" doctrine can work for anyone facing a "superior" force.

Why is it that people can't work out their differences without resorting to armed conflict is beyond me...

I'm fascinated with the culture and history of China and would enjoy visiting that country but never will as long as the current gov't is in power.

Allen

[PJgunner]

Don't know if it's true or not, but if it isn't, it should be. Supposedly, one of the Japanese military leaders, or maybe it was the Emperor, I forget, was asked why they din't attack the U.S. immediately after Pearl Harbor? Supposedly, the answer was, "Because there would have been a rifle behind every blade of grass."

Fast foreward to a few year back. When Russia attacked Afghanistan that turned out to be their Viet Nam, and the Russian leaders had a lot more resolve towards winning there that Lame Brain Johnson did in Viet Nam.

I think the first blow was struck when Iran took our embassy people hostage and that jackass peanut farmer wrung his hand and said, "Woe is me." An American embassyis considered to be American soil, just as a Russian embassy would be considered Russian soil.Note that as soon as Ronald Reagan was being sworn in, the hostages were free ond homeward bound.
Guess the old Ayatollah wasn't quite ready to meet Allah yet. I hope his death was a painful one and the place where he now resides is extremely hot.

Paul B.

[Valigator]

I dont think WW111 will be a ground war....and no one will go in trying to democasize anything....(spelling)

[myEspringr]

if you figure the odds of war on our soil, i'm not that conviced that many americans would step up to it. the only ones that would even show up are hunters, and other retired military.
no average american even has a firearm, most are to afraid or would just hide in their homes. the U.S. is to vulnerable to stand ground for very long. i lost a lotta respect for bush. he had back up to goin' over to iraq. at first yeah poss. good idea but once stuff started blowin' up in his face about the reasons he sent the troops there. what did he think he was gonna accomplish by goin' there?
they can't even catch b***h laden. so let's go in a another country spread everyone out. i'm all for kickin' someones arse for the right reasons but how many troops does this country need to lose. it's a war i don't think is gonna end for awhile.
my input on this let's go to iraq , well, i think bush did it to get higher prices on oil, since he does have his hand in oil.
whether i'm right or wrong it was not for the right reasons.
there's my two cents. sorry so long kinda venting.

[Andy L]

Are you John Kerry in disguise??

Just Kiddin....

[AZZAFOX]

Awkeye you fogot one small but important one. Somailia, The Mogue(Mogadishu). Al Queda had been sending its experienced Mujhadeen in there to train up an elite unit for Farah adid's. This unit in turn was responsible for training those RPG specialists who took down two Black Hawk transports.

Clinton comes into power and they pulled out. A huge mistake that was the boost the terroists around the world needed.

If the 10th mountain, Special forces and the operators were allowed to stay and finish he job, it would have shown america had still got some metal in its resolve.

Plus your US army could have gained some useful insight on how to deal with insurgents and how to fight in an urban environment. Key doctrine would be small unit tactics, something your learning off our units who are posted over in Iraq.

You might find it funny, but some of our troops are detached to teach your boys small unit tactics. I hope that this will reduce your casualties and thus have more mothers being able to hug thers boys/gals when they get home, and not recieve the folded stars and stripes.

I just hope this parody never comes true.
D.R.A.F.T.
http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/138/

Couple of Saddam parodies too.

The Real Hussein This ones all about the body doubles he had.
http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/88/

Iraq Without Me A perfect parody that is a follow on from the fist song. All about his capture.

http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/89/