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09-03-2005, 03:30 AM
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307 Winchester
On my very first day back, my German gunsmith is already trying to sell me a .307 Winchester, my responce was
 Fill me in please.........Jon
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09-03-2005, 07:25 AM
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What do you want to know about that caliber? Developed by Winchester for the beefed up 94. Basically it is a rimmed 308 Win., well almost. It is not quite up to the 308. They wanted to put something flatter shooting than the 30-30 in a Model 94 type rifle. I shoot a 356 Win. rimmed 358 and really enjoy it. Quite accurate for a Md. 94 type rifle. Neither rifle manufactured anymore. Too bad. Marlin also made them in Md. 336, also no longer made.
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09-03-2005, 09:34 AM
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A friend of mine uses one- a 94 Winchester.
The chronograph tells us that his shoots 170 Nosler Partitions at 2400 + FPS from a 20" carbine barrel. (handloads) To give you a comparison, my bolt action 308 with an 18" barrel, shoots 165's at 2600 FPS. A typical 30-30 lever, with a 20" barrel, will shoot 170's at about 2000 FPS, if you chronograph it. (most factory data is from a 26" barrel)... so the 307 isn't quite up to the 308, but it isn't far off. My friend is very fond of the rifle, and I can see why- light and easy to carry, plenty of power for deer sized game. His shoots quite accurately, also, even with the factory open sights- 2"or less @100 yards. If you're going to handload for 307, you use 308 dies- the external dimensions of the 308 and 307 are the same, except for the rim on the 307. 307 cases are thicker than most 308 cases, so case capacity for the 307 is a bit less than 308. I'd say the 94 Winchester in 307 is a fine choice as a woods deer rig in the US- how it would work out in Europe, you'd know better than I would.
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09-03-2005, 10:44 AM
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Fine round - for a collector.
Factory ammo is next to impossible to find, as is brass. And you can't make it from anything else. So unless that 'smith is including a couple hundred pieces of brass, I'd smile and walk away.
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09-03-2005, 02:11 PM
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Yes, but don't forget that Jon just moved back to Germany. Ordering from the US isn't easy over there.
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09-03-2005, 10:04 PM
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I was afraid it would be a tough one, they have a .257 Roberts for real cheap, but the ammo would be a pain in the tukkis..................aw well, I am planning on a 7x64 anyway.
Thanks guys 
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09-04-2005, 11:43 AM
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I do like the 257 i wish i could find a nice one in my area it is looking like a model 7 i have seen a couple in 257.
jon did you take your 243 back with you if you get to do any hunting across the pond post the picks i do enjoy seeing them.
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09-06-2005, 08:28 AM
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The only two rifles (out of 13) I brought back is my Savage 10 in .308 and my Hammerli .22LR
But I am suuuure it will grow more  All I need is a good 12ga, and have my eye on one....................Jon
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09-08-2005, 07:08 PM
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The .307 Winchester is my favorite deer hunting cartridge. I have had more "one shot, dropped in its tracks" kills on deer with the .307 than any other rifle I have used. Good cartridge and rifle combination.
Here are a few quotes from Layne Simpson and Ken Waters. Waters called the .307 "Undersold and Overlooked" .307 Winchester - Update Ken Waters Handloader 208 December-January 2001 No matter how you look at it, the .307 Winchester (and its .356 mate) are the finest cartridges for lever-action tubular magazine rifles that have come our way, along with the strong modern Winchester Model 94 Angle Eject that made them possible. Let's hope hunters will realize what they missed the first time around and will call for a reappearance of this great pair. In the May 1998 issue of Shooting Times Layne Simpson wrote a lever action rifle article that has a GREAT quote on page 73: "I consider the .307, by the way, to be the finest deer cartridge ever offered in any tubular - magazine type lever-action rifle." I wish he had thought to write that a little earlier! On page 68 of the November 1998 issue of Shooting Times Layne Simpson stepped up again in his article: "Where Have All the Brush Cartridges Gone?" On page 70 Simpson says: "In my opinion, the .307 Winchester is absolutely the very best deer cartridge ever designed specifically for lever action rifles with tubular magazine." Ken Waters, writing in Wolfe Publishing: The Legacy of Lever Guns wrote on page 47: " Pardon me if I don’t beat around the bush, but I consider the .307 Winchester to be the all-time best factory deer cartridge ever developed for lever-action rifles with tubular magazines." This is a link to the gunsmithing forum on this site. As you can see it is easy to make the .307 and .356 from the .444 Marlin basic case. Of course you probably cannot find the .444 cases in Germany either! http://www.huntchat.com/showthread.p...threadid=39959
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