choke or no choke

[catdaddy]

hellow, iam thinkin of usin 4 buckshot for yotes, but will it blow the choke out or should i leavethe chkoke in it,will this make it a farther shot and more deadly
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[fabsroman]

Leaving a choke tube out of a gun and firing it many times could damage the choke threads. Thus, leaving you with a problem.

I don't use buckshot very much, if ever, but I would think that a choke tube would be required in a choke tube barrelled gun. I am also thinking that modified or improved modified, if not even full, might be called for since you are planning on some decently long shots.

If memory serves me correctly, you were thinking about 50+ yard shots on coyotes with this buckshot.

Pattern the gun with different choke tubes and see which one works best (i.e., throws the tightest pattern).

[M.T. Pockets]

I've shot lots of 4 buck through a 10 guage, and quite a bit through a 12 guage. Full choke worked fine, but like Fabs said, pattern test different chokes and see. It will also give you confidence in what your gun will do.

[catdaddy]

all right ill do that
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[tjwatty]

I can't say I've ever shot a load of any size buck shot in my life but I can't imagine the range being much past the effective range of a shotgun slug. (the boys will correct me there I'm sure) With that said, what difference would the choke make on the pattern? If muzzel velocity is equal, why would the shot travel any further? Maybe being in a tighter pattern would give it some but I can't imagine it being much.
Gets me back to my pet peeve, 10ga. shooters that think they shoot farther. (sorry 10ga owners)

[M.T. Pockets]

A #4 buck pellet from identical loads will have the same energy at any given range no matter what choke it came out of. But, a choke that gives him a better pattern will give him more pellets in the yote, and more hits would be better.

A 10 guage may not shoot pellets any further, but on average, 72 #4 buck pellets coming out of a 10 guage are going to pattern better, further, than a 3" 12 guage with 49 and do more damage to the yote.

[fabsroman]

TJ,

10 gauges don't shoot farther, they can just kill better at farther ranges. If the velocity of both a 12 ga. and 10 ga. load is equal out of the muzzle, and they are both shooting the same size pellets and the same payload of pellets, the 10 gauge is more lethal to a further distance. This is because the shot pattern will be much denser when it arrives on target. It has to do with the shot string of a 10 ga. being shorter than that of a 12 ga.

Now, if the 10 ga. is shooting a heavier payload than the 12 ga., of the same size pellets and at the same velocity as the 12 ga., the 10 ga. is more lethal at a further distance than the 12 ga. by far.

The length of a shot string allows for a greater margin of error. Steel provides a shorter shot string than lead, so when steel started to be required, the 3" shell actually provided a benefit to hunters by elongating the shot string (i.e., allowing for the same amount of error as a 2 3/4" lead shell) along with increasing the velocity of steel.

The 3 1/2" 12 ga. merely extends the shot string a little more, therefore, allowing for more error but not necessarily more strikes on the bird.

A shot string is a bunch of pellets stretched out in the air. A bird flying through a shot string will only be in the shot string for a fraction of a second. Thus, the denser that section of the shot string is, the more strikes there will be.

A pellet launched out of a .410 at the same velocity as a pellet launched out of a 10 ga has the same lethality. However, I think you will readily admit that the 12 ga. is a better duck gun than the .410. Same goes for the 10 ga. because it has a denser shot string than the 12 ga.

Trust me, I have been debating the purchase of a 10 ga., but I just don't like any of the ones currently being built. I truly wish Benelli or Beretta would come out with one, but I seriously doubt that will ever happen. I don't think Remington even makes one anymore.

With all that said, using a full choke tightens up the shot string and it takes it a little while longer to spread out.

There are so many things to take into consideration with shotgun's and shotgun loads, but the most important is practicing with a shotgun. I don't care what canon you are shooting, if you cannot get on target you will not be hitting anything.

[skeet]

Catdaddy,
Always use a choke in the gun. It will help patterning and protect the threads for the choke. Fabs is right on with the 10 and 12 ga thing. I have shot quite a few shells from both gauges. Without a doubt the 10 ga will kill farther than a 12 any day..in the hands of a good shooter. Poor shooting is just that..poor shooting. Finding the right shot size that patterns at the longer ranges is what makes the difference. When I was guiding every day..I could consistently kill canada geese at 70 yds. You must understand...I shot a lot...especially pass shooting. I really enjoyed pass shooting but the thing I really liked was fooling those ol geese and getting them right in the hunters faces. My average shot when I was guiding was more than 40 yds. Of course I didn't shoot till the paying hunters were done. I liked getting geese in to at least 20 yds and preferred 10 yds. Gave the hunters a really good chance to get their goose. So I did shoot a lot of big shot and big guns and found the 10 outclassed the 12 by a good 15 yds. Maybe more in the right hands

[catdaddy]

thanks guys for all of youre posts. yall rock
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