Magnums Not Needed (Elk & Deer)

[razmuz]

I don't care where you hunt or what you hunt magnums calibers are not needed. If you just use common sense you will figure out tha about 50% of hunting stuff is not necessary. Why do deer hunters wear camouflage? Deer can only see blue and yellow, the rest is in black and white. Why do rifle shooters have scope mounts with adjustments on the rear mount, it's not needed. Why are hunting knives either camouflage or black? It just makes them hard to find. Think about all the money spent over the years for unnecessary gimmicks. If one of those New York magazine writers suggested hunting with red boots many of you would rush to Wal- Mart and buy a pair. This new WSM faze has really got your attention and your money. WAKE UP.

[gregarat]

Why do deer hunters wear camouflage?

So other hunters don’t see me. Crunch and crash their way to where I am, and ask stupid stuff like "have you seen anything?" I do wear blaze orange headgear.

Although I realy do see your point.

I did stop wearing my Carhart jacket, with a white tee shirt

[stout shooter]

I am right with you on many of the things you had to say

i picked up my 243 tonight and some of the other patrons of the store asked me what i needed a 243 for. I said deer, and they looked at me like i should go over to the daisy section because a 243 and a bb gun should be in the same catagory.

while i was having the paperwork completed i went over to the tikka rack to see what else was there, there were 14 tikkas and they were either 7mm mag or 300 win mag.

how big is "big enough"?

JMO

SS

[Catfish]

razmuz, Why don`t you stop beating around the bush and say what you really think! My wife has a cousin that wears hunter orange coverhalls and stands in the open where the hole world can see him and has more deer about run over him than anyone else I know. I`ve seen him pass up 2 or 3 nice bucks a day because he thought someone esle might get a shot at them and still kill a nice buck later in the week. I`m begining to think deer are atracted to hunter ornage if it`s where they can see it easily.

[Andy L]

Raz,
Theres alot of truth to what you say. Cant say I go along with all of it though. I do believe theres a place for camo. Hunting predators, calling, for example. Not that you must be in the latest style, but to blend somewhat and not shine, including your weapon gleaming in the sunlight, seems to help. Tried both ways, theres truth to it.

As for magnums. Yeah, you can kill elk, moose whatever you want with 308s and whatnot. I dont argue. I do however like my 300 Win Mag for alot of things, including deer. Flat shooter, lots of energy, clean kills, whats not to like? Im not too caught up in gagets and latest wssms or anything, but dont see any reason why you should come down on folks who CHOOSE to spend their money on them. I have lots of guns, different calibers, and choose what I use in what circumstance sometimes on what the situation is, and sometimes on what I feel like shooting. Sometimes I feel like getting the old Mag out and knocking one off his feet. Anything wrong with that? I like guns, and some are magnums. Anything wrong with that?

As for camo knifes, dont own one, dont know that Ive ever seen one. Mines made of deer antler horn and hammered crosscut saw blades with inscription on it. Anything wrong with that?

Maybe I took this the wrong way, but you did choose the frown for your lead on this thread. I know several other guys on here that tout the mags and like to shoot them. Not that they are the only weapon for the job but like them. See any problems there?

Dont be so quick to judge and condemn. I have argued with folks on this board about the short mags that say they are better than the old ones. I still hold to that. But I never put them down and told them to WAKE UP if thats what they want to spend their money on and enjoy shooting. Its their cash. No law against it. They are fine rifles, even if they are not what they are touted to be.

Not a good topic in my humble opinion.

Take Care
Andy

[Nulle]

Whatever works for you I guess: Got a 7mm mag and a 257 Roberts and just love the heck out of both of them.

[Jethrow Bodine]

Well put Andy L.

I might just have to pick up some of them red boots he mentioned, when I pick up my new gimmick 300 WSM.

To each their own!

[JimHnSTL]

well if we all where to just buy the "original" and leave the "New" design stuff on the counter where it belongs i guess we all would be shooting flint locks, no wait that was an improvment/gimmick over the sticks and stone devices. oh progress, it is such an awfull thing.

[buckhunter]

Raz you brought a smile to my face this morning. Agree with a lot of what you say however new stuff has certainly made my hunting a little easier and more comfortable. My first pair of hunting boots were standard military leather. Now I wear goretex one. A lot dryer. My first raincoat was a yellow rubber one. Now I wear swede. A lot dryer.

There is a lot of stuff that has helped however I agree that you really must use your head where purchasing new junk. A lot of it is crap but some of it sure has helped.

[jon lynn]

Raz,

I got all my camo stuff when I lived in Germany because like gregarat, some German always had to stop and gawk. One fella called his whole family over (they were on a forrest walk), to see the hunter. A set of Advantage clothing, Advantage tape, and boots, all mail order, the problems lessened for me.

But here in Oklahoma, I will probally do the old BDU's just because I have them, not because they are cammo.

[GoodOlBoy]

Never fails if I wear camo I don't see SQUAT! If I wear jeans and a t-shirt (This is Texas it is jeans and t-shirt weather except in February and August. Which one calls for shorts instead of jeans and the other cals for a demin jacket add-on.

My grandfather has killed more dear with a 30-30 or a 222 rem than most folks have ever seen. His daddy did the same thing with a single shot rifle and a pair of striped overalls. Neither believe in scopes.

I think you nailed it buddy.

GoodOlBoy

[Andy L]

GOB,
I dont doubt it. Dont argue it. MY point was, I like mine and dont see a problem with me using it, if I want to. Do YOU? Ive killed deer with 223, 22-250, 243, 25-06, 280, 30-30, 30-06, ect... and bows. All clean kills. Killed several wearing Carharts or jeans instead of camo. But, whats the problem if someone wants to be a little more hidden or wants to shoot a bigger gun, just because they want to?

Im surprised MT Pockets hasnt chimned in here. I know he loves the mags.

Tell you what, I dont want to argue, just didnt like the way this started off. Everyone do what you want, we will all kill what we want and have fun.

Over and Out.



Andy

[SuperMagnum]

Sure they magnums may be overkill for alot of things, but so what, at least that way you have a clean kill. It's our money so we will spend it on whateve we want, just mind your own business. Personally, I have a 300 win mag and I will use it for anything just because I want to, it's better to have too much than not enough.

[TreeDoc]

....then again, it could be argued that guns are not necessary for the take of Elk and Deer. Why bother with a noisy gun when you have a nice sharp stick and a rock?

[buckhunter]

As far as magnums for deer or elk. Its all up to the individual. If I got a plane tomorrow for Mt to hunt elk, my 338(it ain't mine anymore but all I have to do is ask) would probably go but as a backup gun. I would probaby take my faithful Model 700 in 280 Rem load up some good 160 gr Noslers at about 2800 fps and go it. I would see no reason for a big thumper. Now the real reason, it hurts to shoot the Big Boys and I'm a recoil wimp.

I know this guy in Northern NH that is what I would call a real good hunter. This guy is a tracker. He is up and down mountains all day. Hunts like a mad man. Know his game and tracks down a big boy every year, not only in NH but in the Wilderness Regions of Northern Maine. Usually has 2 over 220 lbs hanging every year.

What does he use? Believe it or not he shoot a 300 Weathery Mag. Over 10 lb rifle. Too much for me but works for him. He is about 66 now and still totes that rile. All he every sez about it "Why should I have to look for something that should be laying there". To each their own.