"Perfect" deer caliber/rifle...lol......

[model 70]

where do you see the respect?

[Hi Ball]

I once had a Ponch! Better known as a GTO (called the Green Machine) that was very quick on the track! I remember at Bristol Tenn. when she blew a rearend just before the finish line and still won. It had a 421 cu block punched out .60 over, Isky cam, crane heads, 2 x 2 Muncie 4 speed......running 2 x 4 Carbs on top a Wieland manifold.....pushing exhaust through a set of Jardine headers.

Now just so you know, super high velocity does not kill animals understand. It is that little lead and metal projectile called a bullet, that does the killing. Hydrostatic shock is great on paper but it doesn't penetrate vitals and do the killing, other wise a solid bullet would Not do it's job either!

[fabsroman]

Model 70,

I think almost everybody in this thread, including me, respects your opinion on the .270 Win and we also respect the cartridge itself. Heck, I own a Remington 700 in .270. Now, it isn't my favorite gun, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it on deer. Anyway, I hope your feelings aren't being hurt by the ribbing on here about the .270 Win. Just a bunch of opinions and a lot more joking.

[hofts]

why was the baby strawberry crying??



his mother got caught in a jam!

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

Now Dom I pointed out that in Ireland due to changes in the Law there all the hunters had left was .22 cenrefire rifles, so they had to make do with what they were allowed. In Ireland the only Deer are Red Deer and Sika, possibly some Fallow but I am not sure on them both Sika and Red are as large if not larger than the normal American Whitetail, Sika are especially know for hanging onto life.

I did not personally reccomend the .22's for Deer I only stated what was being used and what was required by law, heck I don't even own a .22 centrefire rifle. Even the Irish have come about to allowing rifles up to and including the 270 to be used now . I pointed this out as it was stated that the .22 was not capable of cleanly killing large Deer which is plainly not the case providing the shot is correctly placed. Hell even a poorly placed shot with the 300 WM will not drop a deer on the spot and it's likely to die a slow lingering death!

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You can't classify the Roe or Muntjac in the same category as the North American Whitetail which is what is talked about in this thread -- and that's I'd bet why the triple duece or other cf 22s are legal for them, they are a lot smaller animal. I've got no argument with those deer. But, they ain't got the oomph or maybe for lack of a better word, power (jewels) to be classified to take Red deer legally and ethically, which is more in line with whitetail and muley sizes, especially in the harsher climates.[quote]

Whilst Muntjac may be small there are a lot tougher than some larger Deer species, the Gamekeeper I shoot with witnessed one shot with a 30-06 using factory cartridges and the bullet which entered the proper spot just behind the foreleg did not exit but skidded around the ribcage like a mincer, leaving a awful mess inside. An extreme case but it did happen, the deer didn't go very far either with it's heart & lungs all chewed up



Oh I am sorry I did not know that ONLY Whitetail was to be discussed :rolleyes , the forum is "rifles" and the thread says:-

"Perfect" deer caliber/rifle...lol......

Nowhere did I see WHITETAIL calibre/rifle but it says Deer and Muntjac, Red, Roe and Sika are all species of Deer:

[fabsroman]

We have Sika deer here in southern Maryland and I can tell you that they are a lot smaller than a Whitetail. For those deer, I think I could use my .220 Swift with a Barnes X bullet and not have a problem on them. I am assuming that the Sika deer here are the same as the ones in Ireland, but I could be wrong since you state that they are the same size as a Whitetail.

Now this thread is getting serious with the discussion of .22's and the size of deer.

We just might beat the Manbeef thread here since we have the laugh factor, the .270 factor, the .22 factor, and deer size factor. All the best topics of discussion rolled into one thread.

[hofts]

the 35 whelen of course. pick 200, 225, or 250 gr and you have a dead animal out to 320 yards. easy on the meat too.

ps. only use if you like your deer to drop in its tracks!

[model 70]

how's the recoil on that thing?

[Brithunter]

Hi fabsroman,

Sika stags go about 150 lbs in weight whch is smaller than Northern whitetails but larger than Southern ones so I understand. Now I don't understand what is so funny though. some one a comment based on poor facts and logic so I thought it needed correcting . Oh I think you might find that there is more than one strain of Sika like there is more than one strain of Red Deer and Wapiti's.

I might get the chance of a Sika this September in Scotland, the hunt is for red Stags but there are a dew Sika in the area and they are game as well so who knows

[denton]

Been doing some research on the 7x57. It's amazing how close it is to the 270 in some respects.

As nearly as I can figure out from known numbers, a 7x57, loaded to full modern pressures, will push a .284" 140 grain bullet to 2900 fps.

The SAAMI spec for a 270, loaded with a .277", 140 grain bullet is 2950 fps.

There's just .008" difference in diameter, and 50 fps difference in MV. Of course, as bullet weight goes up, I would expect the difference between the two to widen some, because the 270 has more case capacity. But, all in all, these are two very similar cartridges.

So why is it the 270 "caught on", while the 7x57 didn't?

[hofts]

it seems that the 7mm-08 is really catching on in the last several years and i have read quite a few articles that say ballistically it is quite similar to the 7x57, just slightly smaller. who knows why one catches on and another very similar does not. i suppose mostly due to the firearm makers and their decisions.

[Evan03]

as big as white tail, heck them things are tiny, id feel over gunned chasen whitetails around with my 22/250, hmmmmmm

seriously though ive traveld this country east coast to west coast and there is a very big size varition from reagion to region ot state to state or whatever youd call it.

ive seen little deer not much bigger than coyotes and deer that would be about like our muledeer.

a big muledeer and the 22/250 have no busness classing heads. the deer would have the advantage at the atart but the 250 would win slowly as the deer died a slow death.

when big deer are in the sites id much rather have any caliber but the 250.

but in other states id go hunting with the 250 likeit was my bread n butter. why shoot something that recoils when the game is small.

here in idaho im just mingling with the idea of useing the 250 on deer. well have to see what load development says to my idea. if the bullets dont shoot then the 250 will be out of the running. and O'cconer will agree with me when i go back to shootin 277 slugs at big game.

Evan

[fabsroman]

Brithunter,

The laugh factor goes to the thread in its entirety. Gatorbum started this thread for a laugh and some of us have been going on the laugh factor ever since.

If you read my previous post, I stated that it is starting to get serious in here with the discussion of .22's and the size of deer. Nothing to laugh about with those subjects.

[Evan03]

weve pretty much decided that we cant decide on one all around caliber. thanks goodness. its cool to be alittle difrent and have choices, and theres alot that walk right into being perfect deer calibers. now that weve got that figured out lets look at the perfect rifle desing.

something that you can pack around fairly easy isnt to light and has long range appeal.

the perfect all around rifle in my opion weighs in bout 8lbs unscopes, has 24" medium taper barrel. sporter stock in either walnut or laminted, heck even a good synthetic will work for me.

thats the perfect rig in my opion, the best of all worlds

[hofts]

evan, id agree almost. to me the rifle should weigh no more than 8 lbs, fully scoped and rigged, with a very nice synthetic stock, such as hs precision, etc. like the 24 inch sporter for most calibers.

im only 35, but anymore i am really into light weight.
sold my 9-10 pounders years ago and couldn't be happier.