A P-38 as a CCW gun?

[Lycanthrope]

Alternating makes sense if they are the same weight bullets. I just didn't see the rational of ball rounds "on top".

With multiple aggressors, however, you may have to give everyone behind hard cover 2 if you can't remember exactly where in rotation you currently were. I'll stick with 230gr Hydra Shoks. Any hot, heavy hollow point should do the job.

[Adam Helmer]

Lycanthrope,

Are you a LEO or a retired LEO? I should have said "Alternately loaded Ball and JHP" and not "on top" of the mag and I am sorry for the confusion. As for the "Double Tap", that is because many bad guys wear body armor. We always planned on 2 rounds per BG, minimum, and did not have to worry about "the rotation," it all works out in the end.

As for different bullet weights, at handgun distances it really does not matter, just go for center mass. We also had the "Triple Tap" which was two on the sternum, one in the head. That came out of the LA bank robbery scenario where the bad guys had full body armor. Far too many civillians carrying CCW think ONE round is all they need, "Just like on TV." In reality, go for double or triple taps and then look for the next BG. With a magazine full of ammo, just keep fire discipline and keep alert. One-shot stops are few and far between. Hope this helps.

Adam

[Lycanthrope]

Let's just say I don't go for the "double tap" and prefer the "controlled pairs".

If they are wearing body armor the ball ammo won't make a difference. Better practice the Mozambique drills.

[Adam Helmer]

Lycanthrope,

People using "Double Taps" are called survivors. Two on the sternum takes a lot of fight out of people wearing body armor and not all body armor will stop ball; some vests are better than others. A few quick "Taps" causes blunt trauma and gives you time to go to the next stage. If the BG still shows fight, do a "Triple Tap."

What is a "Mozambique Drill?" What American police department teaches this, I never heard of such a thing, and never needed it, I suppose, during 26 years on the street. Be well, and consider double taps when you are in a hot corner.

Adam

[Lycanthrope]

"Double Taps" are generally 2 shots with one sight picture. Controlled pairs are two shots with 2 quick sight pictures. I'm a firm believer that anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice for good measure

The "Mozambique" is a failure to stop or body armor drill. Two to the chest and one to the head. A much better skill to learn than to guess if they have a trauma plate or not. A plate will stop ALL pistol ball ammo.

[Adam Helmer]

Lycanthrope,

Ok, I see that your,"Mozambique Drill" is just another term for our "Triple Tap." We have other "Drills" I will not address here.

If you never had two on a trauma plate, you need to FEEL how "harmless" that is. LOL. Did you ever get shot twice in the chest? If so, we are on the "same page." If not, then I understand your posts. Be well.

Adam

[Lycanthrope]

Oh...I don;t thik I use the quote "harmless"....and I'll strongly avoid any hit to the chest thank you, very much.

[Mickey Rat]

Dude,

Bravo on your ccw choice. you got style. 9mm is 9mm, no need to apoligize for your choice. If the fight is still on at magazine going dry, you should be hoofing it out anyway. Draw, shoot & scoot!