Are there any 12 gauge hadguns?

[Adam Helmer]

skeet,


The Battle of Kings Mountain, South Carolina occured on 7 October 1780.

I believe the first US made military arm was a copy of the French Charleville .69 caliber at Springfield Armory. I believe the first breechloading rifle made in quantity was the U.S. Hall Rifle in 1816 at Harper's Ferry Armory, (Page 20, W. H. B. Smith's, "Small Arms of The World.") Thus, the US became the first nation to adopt a breechloader as a military firearm.

Adam

[skeet]

The Hall was the first US made military RIFLE. Sorry about the Georgia thing Adam. I bought a Hall Rifle at an auction quite a few years ago. Exc condition and even had the issue bayonet. There were 2 of them at that auction and the 2nd without the bayonet brought 400 bucks. I shoulda bought it too. The other I got for 650 bucks. Made a ton on that rifle. I went there to buy an 86 Winchester and ended up not getting it cause I bought so many guns before it. Now what was the first practical pump shotgun y'all??

[Adam Helmer]

skeet,

No problem on the location of Kings Mountain; it is near the Georgia border.

Wow! You had a Hall rifle. I would have kept that treasure, if at all possible. I saw one at as museum a long time ago that was behind the glass.

Skeet, your excellent gun questions cause reflective thinking. Now, I gotta go hit the books because you know your guns. Be well.

Adam

[skeet]

I've had a lot of guns that I wish I could have kept. Had a Winchester M-21 one of the original 410's(of 73) Wanted to keep it but I made 11000 bucks on it. Was trying to get the farm back east paid for so that took a very large chunk out of the mortgage. One of the guns I really wanted to keep was a 5 gun skeet set of Win m-12's and the 42 of course. All made for one man way back yonder. His son traded them to me even up for a matched pair of 1100 Remingtons...back in 1969. They paid a lot on the mortgage too. Most of the martial guns I've had went to pay the mortgage too. Only two left. plus a barreled action. 1903A3 with milled guard bent swept bolt. Sniper version. Was given to me by a WWII marine fighter pilot...just before he died. He told me he got it from a mud marine in the South Pacific... late 1944 early 45. Not sure it has ever been shot. Wish I had the stock too. Don't know what he did with it. Wasn't in all his shootin stuff when he died. I sold it all for his widow. I do wish I had kept that Hall though. Really unique piece and all original with bayonet. Only reason I haven't sold the Ithaca NID 28 ga in grade 4E is cause the mortgae is paid!! They only made 7 of them. And I really lucked into that one.

[gumpokc]

OK adam reminded me of what i goofed, i was tryign to think of the harpers ferry rifle, not harker...could the Hall have had tha moniker as well?