"Perfect" deer caliber/rifle...lol......

[fabsroman]

Quite honestly, I am waiting for the arrival of the laser blaster like they have in Star Wars. That way, I can shoot my deer and have it cooked at the same time. That will really cut down on the time factor.

[model 70]

This thread is starting to lose some of it's validity.

Ok, AndyL, you don't care much for the .270win but why can't I? I deem it the perfect deer round. If you don't agree then that's fine but your round-about insluts are getting somewhat tiresome.

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

Well actually the hot .22 cals are valid deer rifle/cartridges, In Ireland thay Baned and confiscated all sporting rifles then grudgingly let them have rifels no larger than .22"/5.6mm so all their hunting was done with these, the king was not the Swift as you may have thought but the 5.6x57mm which used a 70 grn bullet. Red and Sika stags were taken well with single shots in fact so good did it perform that some shooters retained their 5.6mm's when the estrictions were lifted slightly to all calibres up to and including the 0.270.

[Dom]

Leave the 22 cf's to shoot what they were made for, varmints, period. Why not see how low one can go and try it with a bb or pellet gun? Deer hunting requires a caliber capable of cleanly harvesing the animal, and I prefer to do it with the least amount of meat damage. I've seen what happens when you blast a light projectile at super speed thru an animal. Does it kill? If it don't blow up and makes it in the boiler room sure, and quickly at that, but why waste all that good tasting venison? A less than ideal shot wounds and is not good or pretty.

For a lot of young or newer hunters that read these boards, we do no favors pulling the chain on the .22's for deer rifles. Not that it can't be done, and in some states it's even legal, but I can't recommend them. Hunting deserves respect for the animals we harvest.

Lots of good deer calibers out there starting on the low end at .243 -- and you'll never please all the people all the time, but the .270 is a super deer rifle for a whole lot of folks, me included. But that's not to say that either the 25- or 30-'06 or 7 mil can't be just as good for a great many hunters.

Model70, I'm with ya on backing the .270 as a great deer caliber, maybe even perfect, JMHO, Lemme go get my flak vest and kevlar outta the closet, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

[Andy L]

Just funnin 70..... Sheeesh.

I done said probably between this thread and the first one that you were correct, at least as far as the 270 being ONE of the perfect ones. The rest is all just good fun. Did you miss the part about being a joke and going for the Manbeef record??

I thought this thread lost validity way before it started. Back on the last thread. I was just having some fun and truely thought everyone else was too.

If its that personal to ya, Ill quit. Hope I didnt hurt anyones feelings. Just having a good time.

Just one question Model 70. Is your dad O'Connor or something? Never seen anyone defend a round like that. (Part of the reason it was fun, I thought you were jokin too)

CYA
Andy

[fabsroman]

Yeah, I think I was the one that posted about the manbeef thread and I think there was no validity for this thread based upon the first post. Gatorbum pretty much stated that it is a crap shoot as far as picking the "perfect" deer cartridge and I pretty much agree. I think there are a wide number of "perfect" deer cartridges, but what is perfect to one man is not perfect to the other. Hence, my analogy to cars and trucks.

Here is another analogy. What is the "perfect" woman/man. I am willing to bet that each of us would have a different description of the perfect mate, and that is because we all probably have different tastes. Some of us will like brunettes, others blonds, and still others redheads. Why is that? Personal taste, and I think that also applies to the "perfect" deer cartridge. Obviously, there are certain people and cartridges that don't even come close to being perfect, but I am sure you get my drift.

[Rocky Raab]

I finally found the perfect girl
I couldn't ask for more.
She's deaf and dumb,
And oversexed,
And owns a liquor store.


(Yes all, this whole thread is for fun. Like the manbeef one. So stick your tongue firmly into your cheek and type away!)

Not bad for a newbie, Gatorbum! You created a classic right outta the gate!

[Andy L]

Kinda what I thought Rocky, Gatorbum is gonna fit right in with this bunch of knuckleheads.


Andy

Just remember, this is the internet. Its supposed to be fun. Let it be just that. You can find good info, but if a thread starts out being tounge in cheek, take it for what its worth.....

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

Oh.......... Oh deary me, Dom I take it that all the shooters and hunters In Ireland should have packed up because they were only allowed .22 rifles then ?

Here in the UK the .22 rifles are not legal in England & Wales for Deer at the moment that is. here is a move to make them legal for Roe, Muntjac and Chinese Water Deer. In Scotland they are legal for Roe Deer providing they use a 50 Grn Minimum bullet at 2450 fps or over producing 1100 ftlbs of muzzle energy.

Now personaly the smallest calibre centrefire I have is 6.5mm to which there is NO question about it's suitablity for Deer Even the 6.5x54MS which is the smallest I have is ample enough for all Deer, as has been proven over many decades since it's introduction. Heck is was even used by artic explorers for meat and protection from Polar Bears. Gibbs of bristol did a hotted up version known as the .256 Gibbs Magnum

[model 70]

nope, my old man ain't o'conner.

[fabsroman]

Gatorbum started a classic and I think we scared him off. He has been stuck on 12 posts for days now. I guess he might have taken this thread a little too seriously too.

[Evan03]

Dom.

22s have therye place and we hunters keep lookin for it all over in the hunting scene. when we start to stray and think maybe just maybe.its guys like you that reinforce an infasize to the general public that there are much better calibers out there to take deer sized game with. us other guys well never be helped.


as far as model70, i think hes uptight(uptight might be the wrong word, straight to point maybe) or im just open minded to be able to have other calibers to have fun and play around with. i was givin the 270win as my first rifle, if i wasnt the person i am i might have never had any exsperince in other calibers. i like to play and i do it alot. ive had more varmit rifles then i needed over the years, but ive yet to get rif of any deer capable rigs, dont know what that has to do with any thing.

and as far as ribn him alittle. i say we should keep at it. sooner or later were gona see his sence of humor come rolling out. he is right on, the 270win is a perfect deer rifle. long range short range it can do it all, recoil is noticable but mild. it can take elk with good a blet and well placed shot. and you can turn around and shoot rock chucks and yotes with it. heck id plug a moose with mine if its all i had.. the 270 is perfect and has been for a very long time. theyre isnt anyone here in the us that would be lacking in most situations with a rifle in this caliber..

anyways we now have new knickname for model 70 yeah you guessed it. ill call him o'conner any chance i get.

Evan

[model 70]

wow, you're just so dang funny.

[Dom]

Brithunter, I'm not sure I understand your wording, so I'll just ramble on a little here about my thoughts.

You can't classify the Roe or Muntjac in the same category as the North American Whitetail which is what is talked about in this thread -- and that's I'd bet why the triple duece or other cf 22s are legal for them, they are a lot smaller animal. I've got no argument with those deer. But, they ain't got the oomph or maybe for lack of a better word, power (jewels) to be classified to take Red deer legally and ethically, which is more in line with whitetail and muley sizes, especially in the harsher climates.

I don't know why the hunters in Ireland would have to pack up, guess I don't understand that question.

My point is why would someone recommend emphatically hunting animals with marginal weapons? You can't lump all hunters into one category knowing the capabilities and performance, not to mention shooting ability. Take a PH in Africa who hunts for a living. What he can and can't do with different calibers he knows. Given his ability, he could take umpteen elephants or lions with the hornet, but I'd bet my bottom line he's not going to recommend to his clients to bring their pet .22cf. Granted, that's a bit exagerated, but my point is 22cf's aren't intended for the average hunter to shoot NA Deer with, and for good reason.

If 22s are legal weapons where someone hunts, more power to 'em, it's just that I can't trump em up as the miracle perfect deer caliber. Actually, the perfect deer caliber is somewhat of a mythical thing, because as we all know, what's perfect to one is not perfect to the next, kinda like women ;-)

[Andy L]

In Missouri, you can use any centerfire cartridge for deer. Used to be 224 with at least 60gr bullet.

I do know of a fellar that killed one with a 17 Rem, but I wouldnt try it. Heck, I know of alot of illegal spotlite deer that have fallen to a 22lr and 22 mag, for that matter.

O'Co, I mean, Model 70, , why dont you lighten up a bit. If you hadnt noticed, you got respect of everyone here that I have seen. This is all good fun. I really dont know how you take this so serious.

Have a little fun.

Andy